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Re:Moving Forward on Basic Income by Drakim on Wednesday June 01, 2016 @07:27AM (#11813523)
Isn't it part of the point with basic income in that it doesn't disappear if you have a job?

The choices would be "basic income" vs "minimum wage + basic income".

There is also the fact that there is no inherent reason why toilet washers should have minimum wage. It's exactly because of economic uncertainty among the lower class that they can be coerced into accepting such sub-par situations such as doing an undesired job at low wage, when it's more logical that an undesired job should offer more pay than a desirable job.

Re:Moving Forward on Basic Income by pif on Wednesday June 01, 2016 @08:09AM (#11813698)
Well, from one point of view, cleaning toilet can be a very desirable job because of one fundamental property: you need no prior training!

Yes, cleaning toilet is awful, but investing years of your life into a degree before being able to apply is a considerable price, too.

Re:Moving Forward on Basic Income by krashnburn200 on Wednesday June 01, 2016 @09:55AM (#11814335)
You want to have your cake and eat it too.

Either the required training is enough of a disincentive to make the Job Undesirable... and pay high. Or it's not.

Required training is not likely to be so scarce when people can chose to train without risking starvation or surviving on 4 hours of sleep a night.

Which is the real problem most of those with "training" fear. It's devaluation when even poor people can get it without Herculean efforts.

Re:Moving Forward on Basic Income by pif on Wednesday June 01, 2016 @12:18PM (#11815665)
I was just giving my two cents about why "undesirable" jobs usually offer low wages. By the way, I see your point with devaluation. Personally, I'm in favor of offering everybody the possibility to study, without depending on the wealth of their parent.