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Re:Gchat Was the Future of Messaging, but Google Didn’t Know by insane_dreamer on Sunday May 29, 2016 @02:42AM (#11795189)
What Google failed to realize is that people want chat that's connected to other services they frequently use. I'm already browsing FB so it's easy to chat with my FB friends using Messenger rather than both pop over to another service. The same reason why MSFT has tried (much less successfully) to incorporate its chat offerings into Office365 and the reason it bought Skype.

Google was in a position to capture the chat market by tying it to an email service that everyone was using - GMail. But it had two problems: 1. Email is an open service that doesn't lock users in meaning people using Yahoo Mail can still communicate with people using GMail (unlike Facebook where the only place to interact with FB users in is FB). 2. Google didn't lock its users in with GChat, so users could drift away to other services while still communicating with GChat users if need be.

Due to its very nature, FB was destined to win the messenger wars; if all your friends are already on FB then most people will default to what's easiest--the chat functionality that's already there and all your contacts are connected to. But since FB tends to be your personal circle rather than work circle, this left the work circle open, which Google could have captured if it hadn't screwed up on Hangouts leaving the door open for Slack.

Re:Gchat Was the Future of Messaging, but Google Didn’t Know by gaius on Sunday May 29, 2016 @03:26AM (#11795335)
Back in the day, it was normal for everyone to have some sort of multi-protocol chat client like Trillian or Adium or Pidgin, and everyone had multiple accounts too, MSN, ICQ, AIM etc some people even had Yahoo. You wouldn't care which one one of your contacts was online with, you could just chat. The "stickiness" of an individual chat system was very, very low, and the network effects didn't work like any of those companies expected them to.

You see it today with drivers having both Uber and Lyft apps open.

Re:Gchat Was the Future of Messaging, but Google Didn’t Know by nroets on Sunday May 29, 2016 @05:42AM (#11795719)
Great theory. Except that outside the US people who are FB friends tell each other "I want to chat, give me your number so I can add you on WhatsApp". Outside the US, WhatsApp is winning because of network effects.
Re:Gchat Was the Future of Messaging, but Google Didn’t Know by mslot on Sunday May 29, 2016 @09:08AM (#11796219)
WhatsApp came to Europe at a time when there was a strong need to replace badly overpriced SMS. In the US most telco's offered subscriptions with free, unlimited SMS and WhatsApp didn't provide any immediate benefit. Facebook Messenger came later, but had the ability to send messages without contact information, giving people in the US a reason to adopt it.

By now, most people in Europe also have Messenger, but still mainly use WhatsApp (slightly generalising). I think that primarily comes down to WhatsApp being a much better messenging app. It's quick, reliable, easy to use, power-efficient, small, well-integrated into the OS, secure, and most importantly: media sharing just works.

Re:Gchat Was the Future of Messaging, but Google Didn’t Know by wodenokoto on Sunday May 29, 2016 @03:19PM (#11797797)
I think this theory is quite solid. For some reason denmark has always (or at least for a very long time) had unlimited sms/mms in most subscriptions.

We also have a low WhatsApp adoption rate. Lately fb-messenger is winning territority (and so is snapchat, but for other reasons), since it offers good group chat on top of a service that already covers north of 80% of the entire population.

Re:Gchat Was the Future of Messaging, but Google Didn’t Know by patrickk on Tuesday May 31, 2016 @06:25AM (#11805729)
In Germany, the mobile plans are extremely stingy with minutes, SMS and data for some reason. I personally use Telegram (trying to convert friends to it), WhatsApp (everyone is on it), FB Messenger (everyone is there), iMessage occasionally, Skype for Voip, and I've stopped using Viber as no one seems to use it anymore (it was extremely popular about 2-3 years ago though).
Re:Gchat Was the Future of Messaging, but Google Didn’t Know by the_mitsuhiko on Sunday May 29, 2016 @06:52AM (#11795889)
> Outside the US, WhatsApp is winning because of network effects.

In which country? Because I have tons of messengers installed and so do most people I know outside the US.

Re:Gchat Was the Future of Messaging, but Google Didn’t Know by mslot on Sunday May 29, 2016 @08:13AM (#11796076)
Literally most countries in the world: http://www.techtimes.com/articles/160897/20160525/top-messag...

Sure, I have messenger and hangouts and telegram as well, but WhatsApp is like a primary mode of communication.

Re:Gchat Was the Future of Messaging, but Google Didn’t Know by daptaq on Sunday May 29, 2016 @08:17AM (#11796085)
I know that WhatsApp is immensely popular in Germany. Most of my friends (me too) don't even have Facebook, and those who do, don't even use it regularly.

WhatsApp on the other hand, is more trusted than Email - When some friend sends me an email, he asks me via WhatsApp if I revived it.

Group Chats, especially with younger folks, are numerous and used for anything, even though the technology is obviously lacking, when compared to other platforms.

But most people either don't care, or perceive these benefits as less important compared to the network effect that WhatsApp has - "I don't want to switch between [random messaging app] and WhatsApp, why don't you just accept what everyone uses".

It's practically the same as with Facebook in the US, and just as bad.

Re:Gchat Was the Future of Messaging, but Google Didn’t Know by vidanay on Sunday May 29, 2016 @10:51AM (#11796539)
Sample size of one for me....

I was in Germany two weeks ago and I tried to get my colleagues on chat...any chat...when I mentioned WhatsApp, they all looked at me like I had a unicorn horn growing out of my forehead. So far I have been unsuccessful in getting any of my team on a chat platform on a regular basis. My company supposedly endorses Lync 2010 (yeah, I know), but probably less than 10% of my coworkers use it and the entire division in Germany doesn't even have it installed on their PC's. Our Lync is also broken by the fact that corporate IT doesn't allow it on mobile platforms.

Re:Gchat Was the Future of Messaging, but Google Didn’t Know by tdkl on Sunday May 29, 2016 @12:19PM (#11796881)
That's funny, because all people I know that use Whatsapp have moved to Germany.

But this mostly shows that the popularity debate is moot - you tend to know/use what your circle of friends does disregarding of statistics of this article posted.

Re:Gchat Was the Future of Messaging, but Google Didn’t Know by wcummings on Sunday May 29, 2016 @09:37PM (#11799097)
I love WhatsApp, but I can't imagine handing out my phone # the way I hand out my email or irc nickname.