Re:Microsoft won't back down from Windows 10 nagware 'trick'
by pca on Friday May 27, 2016 @06:17AM
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How many of the hundreds of millions of people using Windows computers are affected like this that don't have someone tech-savy to ask for help?
There's no possible way Microsoft didn't think of this scenario, which can only mean that they simply do not care.
Re:Microsoft won't back down from Windows 10 nagware 'trick'
by marak830 on Friday May 27, 2016 @06:56AM
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I am certainly in agreement. From what I can see they used social engineering for a few months, then dark patterned it so users would install. (Im referring to users being slowly trained to close the window saying upgrade, then that same click agreeing and installing).
Which in my opinion is exactly that. Social engineering to get them use to it (same action over and over), and dark pattern (doing something do so they would agree to something they didn't necessarily want to).
Very scummy in my opinion. I wish I could change but I am very much stuck on Windows (my only product uses windows voice recognition engine. . . .I don't have the knowledge to wrote my own).
Edit: typo
Re:Microsoft won't back down from Windows 10 nagware 'trick'
by transpy on Friday May 27, 2016 @11:30AM
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As long as changes and 'upgrades' correlate with net gains for investors and shareholders, it's all good. It's all that matters. We are faced with faceless super-agents, we can't realistically complain to anyone, nobody is responsible. I hope the era of user empowerment comes soon, and this kind of mammoth-sized digital stomping over humans ends.
Re:Microsoft won't back down from Windows 10 nagware 'trick'
by haddr on Friday May 27, 2016 @05:33PM
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Oh... They surely care! For the upgrade rate, which historically was always very low.
Re:Microsoft won't back down from Windows 10 nagware 'trick'
by Rangi42 on Friday May 27, 2016 @06:08AM
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One advantage to my grandmother still using Windows XP: it won’t auto-upgrade to Windows 10.
Re:Microsoft won't back down from Windows 10 nagware 'trick'
by Piskvorrr on Friday May 27, 2016 @07:13AM
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Meh. The safest and easiest migration path from XP now is to LXLE (which is Ubuntu Linux) with a similar theme (and the same set of apps); I wouldn't keep anyone on XP any more: if W7 is obsolete, XP is a rotting corpse.
Re:Microsoft won't back down from Windows 10 nagware 'trick'
by luke-stanley on Friday May 27, 2016 @11:51AM
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Re:Microsoft won't back down from Windows 10 nagware 'trick'
by Piskvorrr on Saturday May 28, 2016 @09:31AM
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Haha, maybe. That's a bit over the top for me personally, I never liked the Luna theme :)
Re:Microsoft won't back down from Windows 10 nagware 'trick'
by cm2187 on Friday May 27, 2016 @06:55AM
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Well, Microsoft will parade you mum as part of the great success of the adoption rate and popularity of Windows 10!
Re:Microsoft won't back down from Windows 10 nagware 'trick'
by haddr on Friday May 27, 2016 @05:13PM
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Rings a bell... Same happened to my mom when Google changed their Gmail UI. For us it seems like a small change but for older people this is really a tough thing. Well, we moved to an email client since then...
Re:Microsoft won't back down from Windows 10 nagware 'trick'
by iofj on Friday May 27, 2016 @10:18AM
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I feel your pain, but after migration to linux or mac you'll probably be using SaaS apps to do this. And at in this case you could reinstall.
In the "future" (ie. web apps and android apps), there won't be any control about software upgrades anymore. Even, or perhaps especially when they're really more downgrades than upgrades.
Re:Microsoft won't back down from Windows 10 nagware 'trick'
by Piskvorrr on Thursday June 02, 2016 @06:16AM
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Hahaha. Nope, your attempt at FUD fails: after migration to Linux, my first worry is "okay, the network connection sucks, so no cloud dependencies". Cloudcloudcloud may be all the rage right now, but tried-and-true, full-offline software didn't disappear.
She called me in a panic from 6 timezones away, and I had to drop what I was doing and spend a good half a day walking her through the various transition and setup steps. Every 30 minutes she would plaintively ask me why she had to do this - she was perfectly happy with what she had and had no interest in anything new. Every time she asked and I had no good answer, vague thoughts that included the words "class" and "action" swam through my head.