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Re:Visiting Chelsea Manning in prison by frogpelt on Thursday May 26, 2016 @10:44AM (#11778317)
"Correct" is silly to even discuss relative to this topic.

What you're saying is people's genders are now up for debate but the pronouns are not?

Completely illogical.

And somehow people still believe the "slippery slope" is a fallacy.

Re:Visiting Chelsea Manning in prison by henrikschroder on Thursday May 26, 2016 @11:58AM (#11778978)
> "Correct" is silly to even discuss relative to this topic.

How about "polite"?

It's exactly as rude to use the wrong pronoun about a person, as it is to use the wrong name. It's common decency to call people what they want to be called, and it's not exactly hard to do either.

Re:Visiting Chelsea Manning in prison by lliamander on Thursday May 26, 2016 @12:31PM (#11779276)
Politeness is culturally contingent. For example, I have lived in places where making a special effort to hold open doors for women is a social obligation, as well as places where it is deeply offensive.

Is it appropriate sometimes to violate those norms? Certainly, when those norms involve a violation of higher moral principles. Principles such as not saying things you believe to be false.

> How about "polite"?

So, you're saying that people should not openly disagree merely because it is impolite?

Re:Visiting Chelsea Manning in prison by henrikschroder on Thursday May 26, 2016 @01:13PM (#11779668)
- Hello, my name is Henrik.

- I disagree, I'm going to call you Steve.

- ???

Re:Visiting Chelsea Manning in prison by lliamander on Thursday May 26, 2016 @02:34PM (#11780391)
I agree that your interlocutor is being ridiculous.

But the analogy doesn't hold because your interlocutor doesn't have any reason to disagree with your statement; they're just being a troll.

In any case, someone might rationally object to any such analogies because they disagree that there is an equivalence between names and pronouns.

Re:Visiting Chelsea Manning in prison by frogpelt on Thursday May 26, 2016 @04:06PM (#11781060)
Ok, that makes sense.

However, hypothetically speaking if someone wanted to be called a name that I considered to be vulgar or offensive, I would not call them that.

Re:Visiting Chelsea Manning in prison by henrikschroder on Friday May 27, 2016 @03:34AM (#11784468)
Yes, but we're not talking about a vulgar name, we're talking about a person that presents as female, has a female name, looks female, but was born a male, who simply wishes people would adress her as a "she".

This is not burdensome. This is not onerous. This does no harm. Just honour her wish. Why wouldn't you?