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Re:Promoting Marriage Has Failed and Is Unnecessary to Cut P... by lmm on Thursday May 26, 2016 @09:12AM (#11777604)
> Once you understand how this marriage anti-poverty story works, two things should immediately occur to you. First, it's not marriage that's cutting poverty here. It's the recombination of income. If you marry someone who does not add extra income to your family, that will do nothing to reduce your chance of poverty and, because your family is now bigger, it could even drag your family into poverty. Adding someone to a resource pod only reduces that pod's chance of poverty where, as a result of the addition, the increase in the pod's income is greater than the increase in the pod's poverty line. Sometimes marriages accomplish this, sometimes they do not.

This is missing the point. The argument is not that being married increases your average income, it's that pooling risks (like that of losing one or other of your jobs) reduces them, that it increases the ability to provide childcare (which is better measured in hours than dollars, so income isn't really the point), and perhaps that it allows certain efficiencies in housing, transport etc. And I guess if you want to look at the dark side then the final argument is that it ensures parents are in a fixed, stable relationship, reducing the likelihood of endangering their children through their dating behaviour.

Re:Promoting Marriage Has Failed and Is Unnecessary to Cut P... by chongli on Thursday May 26, 2016 @09:27AM (#11777710)
The rise in housing prices, particularly in neighbourhoods with access to a decent public school, has totally wiped out any advantage you might have gained by pooling risks. What once was a 1-income household with a single point of failure is now a 2-income household where neither person can afford to lose their job!
Re:Promoting Marriage Has Failed and Is Unnecessary to Cut P... by sbjustin on Thursday May 26, 2016 @09:33AM (#11777748)
I imagine you probably live somewhere where the cost of living is significantly higher than the rest of the country. I left the Washington DC Metro area which is exactly as you describe and moved to Greenville, SC. My wife has been able to be a stay at home mom here and we get access to a decent education for our daughter. Any difference in quality of education can be made up by the parents imo.

Leaving an area which required 2 parents to work has been one of the greatest things I've ever done and I won't go back. We are significantly happier without that pressure.

Re:Promoting Marriage Has Failed and Is Unnecessary to Cut P... by skiningham on Thursday May 26, 2016 @09:56AM (#11777945)
My wife and I have been looking at cost of living options in a few areas such as the northern part of Virginia. Here in SC, we both work (no kids) and are able to save up. In Virginia we would be barely scraping by at the same income level. My house in SC is worth <$150k. That would literally purchase a double-wide trailer outside of Charlottesville.
Re:Promoting Marriage Has Failed and Is Unnecessary to Cut P... by sbjustin on Thursday May 26, 2016 @10:29AM (#11778193)
Hey Skiningham!
Re:Promoting Marriage Has Failed and Is Unnecessary to Cut P... by rm_-rf_slash on Thursday May 26, 2016 @09:42AM (#11777837)
It doesn't have to be the entire cost of living, just the cost of housing.

In Upstate NY there are farms everywhere so food is cheap. The upside to everything being gray and snowy all the time is that water is basically free. And as for other services like telcos and electricity, we pay around the same as the rest of the country.

But then comes rent.

It is ridiculous to think that unless you live waaaaaayyy out in the sticks there's no chance you are gonna afford a mortgage down payment anytime soon after graduating college (forget high school), and even as a professional with a professional partner the idea of buying a house is still years away. If we can't own a house we can't build equity. We can't use the property as collateral if we need a loan. It all goes back to housing, and right here, it sucks.

Re:Promoting Marriage Has Failed and Is Unnecessary to Cut P... by morgante on Thursday May 26, 2016 @09:46AM (#11777875)
What upstate NY are you talking about?

I've looked into buying a house up there and it looks incredibly cheap.

Re:Promoting Marriage Has Failed and Is Unnecessary to Cut P... by rm_-rf_slash on Thursday May 26, 2016 @11:25AM (#11778625)
Ithaca, where income-to-housing costs rival San Francisco.

Like I said, it's fine if you want to live in the boonies, but that also means you're an hour away from anything resembling civilization.

Re:Promoting Marriage Has Failed and Is Unnecessary to Cut P... by infinite8s on Thursday May 26, 2016 @01:42PM (#11779948)
Ithaca is also a college town (Cornell) so it's not quite a fair comparison to most rural areas.
Re:Promoting Marriage Has Failed and Is Unnecessary to Cut P... by Shivetya on Thursday May 26, 2016 @10:43AM (#11778302)
One major difference in the North East is that many areas have very high property taxes. It isn't uncommon to find similar property taxes to be a tenth of those values in the South.
Re:Promoting Marriage Has Failed and Is Unnecessary to Cut P... by rm_-rf_slash on Thursday May 26, 2016 @11:26AM (#11778640)
Bingo. Absolutely. Couldn't be stated enough.

My brother goes to college in North Carolina. Demographically it is very similar: medium sized cities with rural stretched in between. Only real difference is weather and taxes. Can't do anything about the weather...

Re:Promoting Marriage Has Failed and Is Unnecessary to Cut P... by mattferderer on Thursday May 26, 2016 @09:48AM (#11777895)
I agree strongly with this. The opportunities the above scenario provides & the reduction in stress is worth more than most average income jobs provide.
Re:Promoting Marriage Has Failed and Is Unnecessary to Cut P... by raisedbyninjas on Thursday May 26, 2016 @01:18PM (#11779712)
So a configuration that was once RAID 1 is now RAID 0.

excluding write performance

Re:Promoting Marriage Has Failed and Is Unnecessary to Cut P... by lr4444lr on Thursday May 26, 2016 @09:25AM (#11777694)
There's also a correlational issue: do people - with the maturity and fortitude to stay committed to a lifelong relationship and forestall the temporary (or even not so temporary) urge to leave someone out of boredom, irritation, and desire to reclaim independence - tend to succeed in education and the workforce by exercising those same character traits? Even the accurate recognition and prioritization of risk mitigation connotes similar traits.
Re:Promoting Marriage Has Failed and Is Unnecessary to Cut P... by gm-conspiracy on Thursday May 26, 2016 @09:32AM (#11777736)
Remember the unfortunate murder of the Google exec by his escort?

Anecdotal counterpoint:

http://heavy.com/tech/2014/07/forrest-timothy-hayes-google-a...

I apologize for referencing this, but your comment reminded me of this horrific situation.

Re:Promoting Marriage Has Failed and Is Unnecessary to Cut P... by lr4444lr on Thursday May 26, 2016 @11:36AM (#11778747)
Some people at the margins are gifted, but hopelessly self-destructive. The point I'm making is, in an age where being non-married well into adulthood and even as a parent is accepted (even incentivized!), consciously choosing to get and stay married may be a proxy for other successful characteristics, which the middle of the bell-curve could afford not to have when social pressures toward the stable marriages was stronger.
Re:Promoting Marriage Has Failed and Is Unnecessary to Cut P... by googletazer on Thursday May 26, 2016 @10:24AM (#11778154)
Overdosed on heroin on his private yacht with a hooker next to him, probably one of the better ways to go.