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Re:Apple Not Able to Open Stores in India Without Selling 30... by alistairSH on Wednesday May 25, 2016 @04:38PM (#11772886)
How do Apple's products qualify as "cutting-edge technology"? Or, phrased differently, would Samsung also qualify? HTC? LG?

What differentiates "cutting-edge" from "just another widget" in the consumer electronics sector?

Re:Apple Not Able to Open Stores in India Without Selling 30... by shas3 on Wednesday May 25, 2016 @05:48PM (#11773409)
I know people who work as "fixers" specializing in navigating such government restrictions and bureaucracy for local and foreign companies in India.

It is more likely that the real reason for Apple's rejection is the whim of some high level bureaucrat ("IAS officer"). It may not even be corruption, even righteous bureaucrats are often stupid. The amount of red-tape in India is astounding.

Re:Apple Not Able to Open Stores in India Without Selling 30... by rahulsidhu on Wednesday May 25, 2016 @07:36PM (#11774037)
On the contrary, my guess would be that this decision was taken at the highest political levels, and I applaud this decision. I read that the govt. set up a small committee of bureaucrats which recommended a waiver and I was hoping for this outcome. This would hopefully incentivise Apple to move at-least some of their assembly to Foxconn India. We need all the jobs and economic activity we can get.
Re:Apple Not Able to Open Stores in India Without Selling 30... by eru on Wednesday May 25, 2016 @08:19PM (#11774234)
I don't know, forced Import Substitution Industrialization (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Import_substitution_industrial...) hasn't worked very well around the world so far.
Re:Apple Not Able to Open Stores in India Without Selling 30... by tarikjn on Wednesday May 25, 2016 @11:14PM (#11775096)
Worthy quote from that article:

"While import substitution policies might create jobs in the short run, as domestic producers replace foreign producers, economics theory shows that in the long run output and growth will be lower than it would otherwise have been. This is because import substitution denies the country the benefits to be gained from specialisation and foreign imports. The law of comparative advantage shows how countries will gain from trade. Moreover, protectionism leads to dynamic inefficiency: Domestic producers have no incentive from foreign competitors to reduce costs or improve products. Import substitution can impede growth through poor allocation of resources, and its effect on exchange rates harms exports."

Re:Apple Not Able to Open Stores in India Without Selling 30... by likeclockwork on Thursday May 26, 2016 @11:41AM (#11778801)
I'm not sure how that would apply to veblen goods when the status they confer is tied up in actually not being produced locally.
Re:Apple Not Able to Open Stores in India Without Selling 30... by eru on Thursday May 26, 2016 @07:38PM (#11782639)
Interesting point. I wonder how much of an economic impact these goods have? (Ie if they exist, do they matter?)
Re:Apple Not Able to Open Stores in India Without Selling 30... by jordanb on Wednesday May 25, 2016 @04:45PM (#11772936)
I assume the law is for products that can not be produced at all in India. There is nothing Apple does in China that it can't do in India. All the really high tech components come from Korea, Taiwan, etc.

Free trade aside this is a smart move for India: Apple has saturated the markets in the west and needs Asian consumers for future growth. It's been shut out of China despite being based there from a production standpoint. If India can force Apple to shift production to India in exchange for access to its consumers that would be a great coup.

Re:Apple Not Able to Open Stores in India Without Selling 30... by wodenokoto on Wednesday May 25, 2016 @05:17PM (#11773194)
Shut out of China? How so?

It's been a few years since last I was in China, but I remember visiting several Apple flagship stores and seeing iPads and iPhones everywhere on the street.

Re:Apple Not Able to Open Stores in India Without Selling 30... by davmre on Wednesday May 25, 2016 @05:53PM (#11773439)
Not shut out completely, but the government is pushing back: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/22/technology/apple-no-longer...
Re:Apple Not Able to Open Stores in India Without Selling 30... by yorwba on Wednesday May 25, 2016 @06:24PM (#11773637)
Re:Apple Not Able to Open Stores in India Without Selling 30... by morgante on Wednesday May 25, 2016 @07:12PM (#11773921)
> How do Apple's products qualify as "cutting-edge technology"?

If Apple does not qualify as "cutting-edge technology" then what does?

If a store is selling to consumers, it's inherently going to be not at the very edge of development.

If Apple can't be approved for this exemption, this exemption makes no sense.

Re:Apple Not Able to Open Stores in India Without Selling 30... by bduerst on Wednesday May 25, 2016 @07:56PM (#11774141)
The rule is for cutting edge technology that is not available locally, which is a key stipulation.

We're talking about device manufacturing, which isn't exactly scarce in APAC. Apple already manufacturers chargers and other items in India.

IKEA applied and lost. LeEco and Xiaomi have also applied, and my guess is they won't get it as well on the same grounds.

Re:Apple Not Able to Open Stores in India Without Selling 30... by alistairSH on Thursday May 26, 2016 @11:12AM (#11778515)
If Apple does not qualify as "cutting-edge technology" then what does?

When I think cutting-edge, I usually think highly specialized medical or military tech - things that a only a small set of people can design/build.

But, it is a pretty flimsy phrase and could be open to abuse. Which is why I asked if other consumer electronics companies have succeeded/failed to obtain a waiver.

Re:Apple Not Able to Open Stores in India Without Selling 30... by morgante on Thursday May 26, 2016 @11:16AM (#11778543)
> When I think cutting-edge, I usually think highly specialized medical or military tech - things that a only a small set of people can design/build.

Sure, that is the absolute cutting edge.

But you don't need retail stores to sell specialized medical or military technology.

Re:Apple Not Able to Open Stores in India Without Selling 30... by justinlardinois on Wednesday May 25, 2016 @05:03PM (#11773069)
I read "cutting edge technology" as "computers, phones, and other sophisticated electronics." It would be helpful if the article mentioned if the Indian government provides a concrete definition.
Re:Apple Not Able to Open Stores in India Without Selling 30... by Avshalom on Wednesday May 25, 2016 @05:27PM (#11773269)
the cutting edge of technology is always moving, moreor less tautologically, they could give better guidelines (i haven't read them they might actually be very good guidelines already) but there isn't going to be a concrete definition.
Re:Apple Not Able to Open Stores in India Without Selling 30... by x0x0 on Wednesday May 25, 2016 @07:25PM (#11773985)
cutting-edge == the right people get paid

Hence the visit from the ceo of apple to the pm.