Re:Ubuntu LTS updating failing all over the world
by noobermin on Friday May 20, 2016 @02:47AM
(#11735940)
Here comes the expected complaint: Ubuntu is supposed to be the user friendly distro, right?
It seems an unfair thing to say until you experience it, or your loved one does. My SO uses gnome-ubuntu, and I am at a loss to explain why firefox crashes multiple times a week on her PC. On my gentoo box? I think the browser hasn't crashed randomly in...months? And I am on ~arch at least for firefox so they are the same version afaik.
Gentoo doesn't have as many devoted, paid testers from what I understand as Canonical does, so how is their stability relatively worse?
Re:Ubuntu LTS updating failing all over the world
by cyphar on Friday May 20, 2016 @02:52AM
(#11735964)
I actually put Arch on my SOs laptop, because I knew that Ubuntu would probably break in some way in a couple of months. But I'd probably go with openSUSE if I needed to reinstall GNU/Linux (the community has put a lot of work into stability as well as having up to date software).
Re:Ubuntu LTS updating failing all over the world
by noobermin on Friday May 20, 2016 @02:54AM
(#11735970)
Does arch have something like Software in their gnome 3? My SO isn't as into tech stuff and I wanted it to be easier for them to install stuff without having to google or know apt/emerge/pacman
Re:Ubuntu LTS updating failing all over the world
by cyphar on Friday May 20, 2016 @06:23AM
(#11736747)
Yeah, there's front-ends for pacman. They're usually ... okay. The only issue is that you usually need to install stuff from the AUR (which won't ever get updated by default unless your GUI supports yaourt).
Re:Ubuntu LTS updating failing all over the world
by scintill76 on Friday May 20, 2016 @05:08AM
(#11736451)
How necessary is it to have a separate /boot partition these days though? I have one because my root is LUKS-encrypted, but I think Grub could handle booting from an unencrypted ext4 root. I guess it would still fill up eventually, but maybe not before a re-install for other reasons.
Re:Ubuntu LTS updating failing all over the world
by mrsteveman1 on Friday May 20, 2016 @10:44AM
(#11738179)
Grub can actually handle booting from an encrypted ext4 root as well, no /boot needed. You do end up entering the password twice by default, but that can be dealt with by using a key file.
Re:Ubuntu LTS updating failing all over the world
by yrro on Friday May 20, 2016 @06:42AM
(#11736810)
The UEFI system partition is mounted at /boot/efi. /boot itself can be a regular filesystem, or part of the root filesystem if you have no unusual requirements.
Re:Ubuntu LTS updating failing all over the world
by cyphar on Friday May 20, 2016 @10:11AM
(#11737896)
Depends what bootloader you use. Gummiboot (thus systemd-boot) can't handle having the EFI loader and the kernels on different partitions (thus having /boot and /boot/efi separate has questionable benefits). Not to mention that full disk encryption causes problems with /boot.
Re:Ubuntu LTS updating failing all over the world
by yrro on Friday May 20, 2016 @02:41PM
(#11740380)
That isn't necessarily a problem; Debian handles this by means of a kernel postinst hook that copies the newly-installed kernel from its installed location in /boot to /boot/efi/EFI/DEBIAN (or wherever gummiboot expects to find the kernel, I can't remember off the top of my head).
That systemd refuses to support anything other then EFI at /boot puts it into opposition with existing practice (as seen in Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora and SUSE).
Re:Ubuntu LTS updating failing all over the world
by oarsinsync on Friday May 20, 2016 @07:55AM
(#11737048)
For maintainability, you might want to consider using /etc/crontab or /etc/cron.d or /etc/cron.daily to store this instead of the root user cron. Especially on servers.
Re:Ubuntu LTS updating failing all over the world
by carlesfe on Friday May 20, 2016 @04:11AM
(#11736244)
Given that the original title "Refresh hangs indefinitely, appstreamcli using 100% CPU" wouldn't probably have made the front page, yes, I'd say it has been editorialised for added sensationalism, like "failing all over the world"
For me, that is not accurate. If OP wanted to give a bit more context other than the original title, they could have changed it without adding the sensationalist part, for example, "Ubuntu bug breaks apt-get update" or similar.
Re:Ubuntu LTS updating failing all over the world
by orblivion on Friday May 20, 2016 @04:36PM
(#11741289)
This afternoon, without applying any of the workaround fixes, I somehow was able to apt update and upgrade appstream. Did they somehow make a server-side fix?
Fix described here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/appstream/+bug/157...
It seems an unfair thing to say until you experience it, or your loved one does. My SO uses gnome-ubuntu, and I am at a loss to explain why firefox crashes multiple times a week on her PC. On my gentoo box? I think the browser hasn't crashed randomly in...months? And I am on ~arch at least for firefox so they are the same version afaik.
Gentoo doesn't have as many devoted, paid testers from what I understand as Canonical does, so how is their stability relatively worse?
I don't believe they have resolved this despite having been a problem for years.
Lots of blog posts out there with instructions to convert existing installations, for example http://dustymabe.com/2015/07/06/encrypting-more-boot-joins-t...
That systemd refuses to support anything other then EFI at /boot puts it into opposition with existing practice (as seen in Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora and SUSE).
For me, that is not accurate. If OP wanted to give a bit more context other than the original title, they could have changed it without adding the sensationalist part, for example, "Ubuntu bug breaks apt-get update" or similar.