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Re:In Search for Cures, Scientists Create Multispecies Embryos by tremon on Thursday May 19, 2016 @04:59AM (#11728909)
Are there any known cases of embryos that were human yet not animal?
Re:In Search for Cures, Scientists Create Multispecies Embryos by NoMoreNicksLeft on Thursday May 19, 2016 @10:13AM (#11730318)
This is where reading comprehension kicks in. Given the context with "human" and "animal" juxtaposed, one would assume they are using the word "animal" in the sense of "(non-human) animal".

By pretending that this meaning of the word does not exist (or is not obvious), you're being intentionally obtuse to try to score points. That is, of course, the most generous interpretation of your comment, there are other less flattering ones.

Re:In Search for Cures, Scientists Create Multispecies Embryos by tremon on Sunday May 22, 2016 @07:52AM (#11748238)
I understood the title perfectly well. I was pointing out the use of the Christian definition of "animal" in a story about genetic manipulation. With signaling like that, I really don't need to read the article to know what it's trying to say. It's also clearly signaling that I'm not the intended audience for the article.

(edit to add: if it were written for me, the article would have used "chimera" in the title)

Re:In Search for Cures, Scientists Create Multispecies Embryos by headShrinker on Thursday May 19, 2016 @01:43PM (#11732065)
Scoring points, or not. Humans are in fact technically animals. To write about a scientific endeavor in nontechnical/ambiguous or inaccurate terms is disingenuous or worse, negligent.

By the way, I believe you were attempting to 'score points' by pointing out the op's intentionality.

Re:In Search for Cures, Scientists Create Multispecies Embryos by lliamander on Thursday May 19, 2016 @02:20PM (#11732381)
> To write about a scientific endeavor in nontechnical/ambiguous or inaccurate terms is disingenuous or worse, negligent.

No, it is not. Communication is not about being correct, but about being correctly understood. Also, if we are being technical, "animal" was a word used prior to the development of modern biology, and it means what the article means when it uses the word, i.e. non-human animals.

The fact that scientists decided to reuse the same word to mean something slightly different is if anything a flaw on their part. They could have come up with a more precise term to disambiguate (e.g. "neural mobile multi-cellular organisms (NMMCOs)" or some such) but they didn't. As this article is aimed at the lay-person, it is perfectly reasonable (I would say obligatory) to use the meaning that is expected by that audience.

The headline as it shows up in HN was renamed to "In Search for Cures, Scientists Create Multispecies Embryos". This is a ridiculous act of pedantry that completely obscures the rather important fact that one of those species in "multispecies" is human.

Re:In Search for Cures, Scientists Create Multispecies Embryos by headShrinker on Friday May 20, 2016 @05:20PM (#11741612)
> The fact that scientists decided to reuse the same word to mean something slightly different

This is like saying we should have used different terminology when Copernicus published his work on planetary bodies. Or science should have used a different name for Earth when it proven that our planet round? No, if people are inaccurate, you don't keep on using old outdated definitions and invent new nouns for the new meanings. You update the old inaccurate definitions.

People used to think humans were distinctly different than anything else on the planet. We are not and we are not special. We are animals. At the root of this debate is the fact that this idea deeply offends a select few, mostly religious zealots . The same groups were offended that the Earth was still Earth even though it's round. Animals are still animals even thought people are animals too. Gravity is still gravity as our definition of what it is and how it works changes.

Re:In Search for Cures, Scientists Create Multispecies Embryos by lliamander on Saturday May 21, 2016 @02:28AM (#11743471)
>This is like saying we should have used different terminology when Copernicus published his work on planetary bodies.

But "chemistry" was coined to distinguish from alchemy.

Regarding humans as animals, I should probably have stated more accurately that since at least the time of Aristotle, the term animal has also been applied to humans (i.e. "man is the rational animal"). Animal, in this context, refers to anything that is animate (moves around, eats, etc.). However, we often (primarily) use the term to refers to those organisms which are merely animate, as opposed to those that also possess sentience (humans).

> We are not [distinct] and we are not special.

Empirically we are distinct. Our lack of specialness remains unproven.

> We are animals.

Both in the sense of biological taxonomy and that we have an animus, that is true. That does not entail your previous statement.

It's also still perfectly correct to use the term to refer non-human animals.

> The same groups were offended that the Earth was still Earth even though it's round.

What groups are these, specifically? As far as I know, these people never existed except in the modern imagination. The West has been aware of the Earth's roundness since BC. It is a central aspect of the Ptolemaic cosmology.

Re:In Search for Cures, Scientists Create Multispecies Embryos by Veratyr on Thursday May 19, 2016 @12:50PM (#11731562)
Duplicating my comment below for the the sake of visibility, the OED defines "animal" as:

a. A living organism which feeds on organic matter, typically having specialized sense organs and a nervous system and able to respond rapidly to stimuli; any living creature, including man.

b. In ordinary or non-technical use: any such living organism other than a human being.

In a technical context, such as a scientific journal, I expect that "animal" would include humans. In the headline of a science-focused mainstream media article, I think it's ambiguous. Given that the context, I think it's clear they're using the non-technical definition of the word.

Re:In Search for Cures, Scientists Create Multispecies Embryos by tremon on Sunday May 22, 2016 @08:19AM (#11748296)
Yet, I think "animal" was the worst word they could have chosen, because (as I said in another comment) the latter definition is directly from the Bible. Given that genetic manipulation evokes strong religious sentiment, the word is not neutral in this context.
Re:In Search for Cures, Scientists Create Multispecies Embryos by greydius on Thursday May 19, 2016 @06:41AM (#11729209)
That depends on who you ask. I've met people that hold firmly to the belief that humans are not animals. Explanation? God created Adam in his own image, so humans are somehow special and better than animals.

We need to prevent these people from making decisions for society.

Re:In Search for Cures, Scientists Create Multispecies Embryos by doulos on Thursday May 19, 2016 @10:15AM (#11730330)
I agree. These people shouldn't be allowed to vote, or own a business either. If only there were a way we could identify them more easily just by looking at them so we could avoid them. They are such a nuisance. What would be really great is if we could just create a certain section of our cities to keep them separate so we don't have to worry about them screwing things up anymore.

They are so incredibly ignorant. How can they look at humans and animals and believe that one is different than the other? How can they look around this world and believe that any of this could have been created by a higher being? This ignorance cannot be tolerated. This world will not be right until we get rid of them altogether.

Re:In Search for Cures, Scientists Create Multispecies Embryos by lliamander on Thursday May 19, 2016 @02:01PM (#11732210)
Have you considered the possibility that "your people" and "these people" should just form separate societies, or is it your preference to keep them within a common society as permanent second-class citizens?
Re:In Search for Cures, Scientists Create Multispecies Embryos by ada1981 on Thursday May 19, 2016 @01:43PM (#11732069)
I came here to critique the same thing... Reminding people that humans are animals and thus, part of, connected to and dependent on nature is important.
Re:In Search for Cures, Scientists Create Multispecies Embryos by nutheracc on Thursday May 19, 2016 @06:18AM (#11729137)
Is there a term for non-human animals?
Re:In Search for Cures, Scientists Create Multispecies Embryos by xuhu on Thursday May 19, 2016 @10:56AM (#11730700)
Just google-translated the word for them from my language (dobitoaca) to english, and it came out as 'beast'.
Re:In Search for Cures, Scientists Create Multispecies Embryos by Tomte on Thursday May 19, 2016 @06:31AM (#11729176)
"animal"

I'm serious.

Re:In Search for Cures, Scientists Create Multispecies Embryos by hulahoof on Thursday May 19, 2016 @07:22AM (#11729349)
Non-humanoid maybe?
Re:In Search for Cures, Scientists Create Multispecies Embryos by trott on Thursday May 19, 2016 @06:51AM (#11729242)
beast
Re:In Search for Cures, Scientists Create Multispecies Embryos by kashkhan on Thursday May 19, 2016 @06:17AM (#11729135)
iirc all humans are animals.
Re:In Search for Cures, Scientists Create Multispecies Embryos by ada1981 on Thursday May 19, 2016 @01:42PM (#11732055)
Trump.