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Re:Employment, construction, and the cost of San Francisco a... by matt_wulfeck on Monday May 16, 2016 @04:47PM (#11709482)
I'm thinking the same thing. Is it physical limitations of building (such as earthquake proofing) that makes it difficult? Or is it the suffocating amount of bureaucratic red tape imposed by short-sighted interest groups?
Re:Employment, construction, and the cost of San Francisco a... by lyqwyd on Monday May 16, 2016 @05:40PM (#11709847)
Definitely red tape.

I'm doing an expansion on my house in SF. 1 year in already, and at least another year to go before we get permits, if we even wind up getting them.

It will probably cost over $10,000 just in planning review / permitting costs when it's all done. That does not include the added time architectural costs of changing the plans as demanded by the various planning departments.

Re:Employment, construction, and the cost of San Francisco a... by bane on Monday May 16, 2016 @10:50PM (#11711101)
By way of comparison, out here on the East Coast, I went by my county office on a Friday, talked over what I wanted to do with the clerk, sketched out a basic plan on a blank sheet of paper, paid $75 in fees, taped the permit to my front window and started work on an expansion the next day.
Re:Employment, construction, and the cost of San Francisco a... by lyqwyd on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @01:52AM (#11711571)
Yes, SF's process is incredibly broken. It's not just that they are too expensive and time consuming (which they are!), it's also that the rules are arbitrary, and there are multiple departments, which often have the exact opposite requirements.

Additionally, any approval can be appealed by neighbors for any reason, at very little cost, but then the person applying for the permit will then have to spend thousands more, and potentially years more, to fight the appeal.

The uncertainty and lack of clear rules is actually worse than the cost (which is ridiculous).

I find it hard to imagine a more dysfunctional planning process.

Re:Employment, construction, and the cost of San Francisco a... by nibs on Monday May 16, 2016 @04:55PM (#11709539)
Red tape. All red tape. See top comment.
Re:Employment, construction, and the cost of San Francisco a... by eru on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @12:54AM (#11711419)
> Is it physical limitations of building (such as earthquake proofing) that makes it difficult?

Can't be worse than in Japan. They manage to build plenty. So, definitely red tape.

Re:Employment, construction, and the cost of San Francisco a... by hkmurakami on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @02:15AM (#11711637)
Yup if Tokyo can build safely skyscrapers on landfills (look at the Ariake area in the Tokyo bay -- an area that is friendly for young families btw), then there is no structural reason why SF can't.