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Re:Identify Any Language Written in the Roman Alphabet at a ... by Nadya on Thursday May 12, 2016 @05:25PM (#11686893)
Additional bonus: Korean uses lots of basic angles, squares, and lines and many Hangul have "three parts" eg. 한국어의 It's a beautifully simple writing system.

You can go quite a long comment chain in Japanese without seeing の. I always tell people "look for lots of simple characters that can be written with only 2 or 3 lines mixed in between a bunch of really complex characters".

    来週は学校に行きません
For those who don't know Japanese, only following my rule, can you identify the Japanese characters in the sentence above?

Except with names, Japanese writing will have a bunch of Chinese characters with many "simple" Japanese characters sprinkled in between. To someone who doesn't read Japanese, both are "unintelligible" but I find people can identify the more complex Kanji from the more simple Kana quite easily and can point them out with pretty good accuracy, even if they can't read any of the kana.

The above example without Japanese characters if you'd like to see if you guessed correctly:

    来週学校行
Re:Identify Any Language Written in the Roman Alphabet at a ... by umanwizard on Thursday May 12, 2016 @06:28PM (#11687304)
Another quirk about the の thing is that some Chinese-speaking people, in Taiwan at least (not sure about the mainland) use の as a colloquial replacement for 的, presumably due to Japanese cultural influence. So it's not completely impossible to see の in a Chinese-language text.

(They still pronounce it "de", only the writing is different.)

Re:Identify Any Language Written in the Roman Alphabet at a ... by cbd1984 on Thursday May 12, 2016 @09:17PM (#11687990)
Re:Identify Any Language Written in the Roman Alphabet at a ... by anateus on Thursday May 12, 2016 @07:53PM (#11687653)
Re:Identify Any Language Written in the Roman Alphabet at a ... by allemagne on Thursday May 12, 2016 @05:45PM (#11687007)
Being in Japan is always a bizarre experience as a student of Chinese. I can perfectly understand a number of signs and get the gist of a surprising amount of other written language despite not understanding a word of it spoken aloud.
Re:Identify Any Language Written in the Roman Alphabet at a ... by yongjik on Thursday May 12, 2016 @05:36PM (#11686949)
Twist: When you see a pair of complex-looking Chinese character strings, but if one of them looks somewhat "simpler", then chances are that it's Chinese and the other is Japanese. Because Mainland Chinese people use simplified characters.
Re:Identify Any Language Written in the Roman Alphabet at a ... by thaumasiotes on Thursday May 12, 2016 @06:18PM (#11687245)
来 and 学, from the original example, are both simplified characters (the traditionals being 來 and 學). I was a little bemused to see them in an example of Japanese text, but it turns out they are the common Japanese characters as well. Japanese has its own set of simplifications ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinjitai ), often overlapping with the Maoist simplifications.

In a different pattern, mainland China simplified 龍 to 龙 while Japan simplified it to 竜. Despite being a "simplified" form, 竜 is actually the oldest of those three characters.

>> For those who don't know Japanese, only following my rule, can you identify the Japanese characters in the sentence above?

I would technically meet that requirement, but knowledge of Chinese makes the question pretty easy regardless of knowing Japanese. ;)

Re:Identify Any Language Written in the Roman Alphabet at a ... by Nadya on Thursday May 12, 2016 @06:33PM (#11687340)
>I would technically meet that requirement, but knowledge of Chinese makes the question pretty easy regardless of knowing Japanese. ;)

Found the loophole in my requirements! Haha :) Had a good laugh when you pointed that out, thank you. Showed a quirk in my reasoning.

You also did a wonderful job explaining the simplified/traditional characters and the overlap between them and I learned a bit of trivia!

Re:Identify Any Language Written in the Roman Alphabet at a ... by cturner on Thursday May 12, 2016 @06:13PM (#11687226)
Taiwan hasn't followed the simplification. Could you be looking at dual printed classical/simplified Chinese?
Re:Identify Any Language Written in the Roman Alphabet at a ... by LanceH on Thursday May 12, 2016 @08:49PM (#11687873)
I would say the give away on Korean is that it has circles or ovals as part of the character.
Re:Identify Any Language Written in the Roman Alphabet at a ... by masklinn on Friday May 13, 2016 @07:32AM (#11689778)
It doesn't necessarily have any though.
Re:Identify Any Language Written in the Roman Alphabet at a ... by jkdkfgkhlkhsdfg on Thursday May 12, 2016 @08:25PM (#11687784)

    来週は学校に行きません
This sentence makes no sense.
Re:Identify Any Language Written in the Roman Alphabet at a ... by astrange on Thursday May 12, 2016 @08:37PM (#11687837)
What problem do you have with it?
Re:Identify Any Language Written in the Roman Alphabet at a ... by Nadya on Thursday May 12, 2016 @08:42PM (#11687853)
It's nonsensical and an actual error for one. ;)

If you search for "来週は学校に行きません" on Google this thread is the only result.

Re:Identify Any Language Written in the Roman Alphabet at a ... by getoj on Thursday May 12, 2016 @09:31PM (#11688048)
The reason for this is contextual (internet posts), not grammatical. You'll get more results if you remove the polite ending and/or the topic particle (try "来週学校に行かない").
Re:Identify Any Language Written in the Roman Alphabet at a ... by astrange on Thursday May 12, 2016 @10:46PM (#11688305)
Actually, since not wanting to go to school is a common sentiment, it can end up simplified into something with no particles at all: https://twitter.com/k_y02240/status/613690896916201472

I hope you don't find it nonsensical, though, I understood it just fine.

And checking ghits for plain forms shows:

"学校に行く" - 3,680,000

"学校へ行く" - 444,000

so I think the other way is actually the variant!

BTW, I feel like "学校に行く" - where に means "for/into" - has a sense of "going to school to go to class", but "学校へ行く" - where へ means "towards" - has a sense of "going to the school building as a physical place".

Here's a forum thread about it:

http://oshiete.goo.ne.jp/qa/5458812.html

Re:Identify Any Language Written in the Roman Alphabet at a ... by amake on Friday May 13, 2016 @08:08AM (#11689902)
It is neither nonsensical nor an error.
Re:Identify Any Language Written in the Roman Alphabet at a ... by jkdkfgkhlkhsdfg on Thursday May 12, 2016 @08:42PM (#11687855)

    来週は学校に行きません

 roughly translates as "Next week, I won't go for school."
The correct usage is

    来週は学校*へ*行きません
"Next week, I won't go to school."
Re:Identify Any Language Written in the Roman Alphabet at a ... by getoj on Thursday May 12, 2016 @09:24PM (#11688026)
Hi, I'm a gainfully employed translator of Japanese and linguist.

Short answer: the sentence is fine as it stands, although your alternative is equally grammatical (if less idiomatic - "学校へ行かない" gets about 1/4 of the ghits of "学校に行かない" by my count, and personally I'd never use へ).

Long answer: Japanese draws a distinction between verbs of A→B movement (e.g. 行く to go; 引っ越す to move house; 移動する to move/change location) and verbs that describe the manner of motion (e.g. 歩く to walk; 走る to run). The A→B verbs can happily take an indirect object complement (a に phrase) as the destination, because there's really no other possible meaning. You can't "go for school", as you put it.

Verbs of motion, on the other hand, are less flexible. These can't take an indirect object complement, and need a more expressly destinatory case (think へ、へと、まで). The reason for this is that a change of location is not implied in the verb, however counterintuitive that might seem to an English speaker.

Interestingly, motion verbs can take a direct object (を), such as in 街を歩く 'to walk around town'. Another indication that they're not strictly destinatory. Also they can take adverbs that further qualify motion, such as ぽつぽつ歩く 'to dawdle/mosey/toddle'(? tough to translate), whereas 行く can't. A→B verbs can however take adverbs that qualify the speed, like ゆっくり行く 'to go unhurriedly' - but this is different from ゆっくり歩く 'to walk in a slow manner'.

This is my first ever comment on HN so I've tried to be as informative as possible... If you have any counterexamples I'd be happy to try to explain them.

Re:Identify Any Language Written in the Roman Alphabet at a ... by jkdkfgkhlkhsdfg on Thursday May 12, 2016 @10:52PM (#11688321)
Japanese N1 and JETRO biz japanese here.

Yeah sure, in vernacular construct, which explains more Google results.

Re:Identify Any Language Written in the Roman Alphabet at a ... by amake on Friday May 13, 2016 @08:07AM (#11689895)
Just stop. You're embarrassing yourself.
Re:Identify Any Language Written in the Roman Alphabet at a ... by amake on Friday May 13, 2016 @08:07AM (#11689892)
Entirely false. に is perfectly valid here.
Re:Identify Any Language Written in the Roman Alphabet at a ... by amake on Friday May 13, 2016 @08:06AM (#11689887)
There is nothing wrong with that sentence.