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Re:Save Firefox by anexprogrammer on Wednesday May 11, 2016 @06:00PM (#11679692)
If FF had declined to put EME in the build (as many believed they should) then perhaps some pressure could have been brought to bear. At this stage, I don't think it matters who you email, it's done.
Re:Save Firefox by jgon on Wednesday May 11, 2016 @06:04PM (#11679724)
Incorrect. If Firefox had not put it in, nothing would have happened because programmers have (largely) decided to give chrome a majority market-share amongst them, and advocate it to their non-technical peers, increasing its market share amongst that group as well.

If programmers actually used firefox and advocated it to the point where it had a majority market share then maybe their refusal would carry some weight.

But as it stands the web dev community has said loud and clear what their priorities are, and this is just a natural consequence of that.

Re:Save Firefox by Endy on Wednesday May 11, 2016 @09:50PM (#11680804)
I don't understand anyone's desire to support a Google-backed browser.
Re:Save Firefox by timlyo on Thursday May 12, 2016 @04:03AM (#11682016)
I used to make an effort to use FF, but it gradually got slower, froze up more often, had problems with content I was viewing.

The final straw was when they had a big update. Instead of fixing any of these issues, they gave me the ability to call people with service I don't use by clicking a link :/

Re:Save Firefox by developer2 on Thursday May 12, 2016 @05:44AM (#11682337)
Similar boat here. I abandoned Firefox back in the day due to the memory and freezing problems, and general lack of responsiveness compared to Chrome. The difference in everyday use was massive here; we went from having a browser that could hardly handle having 3 tabs open while using a gigabyte of memory, to one that worked flawlessly and used a fraction of the resources. Firefox then put in a lot of effort fixing those issues. By this time though, Chrome's built-in DevTools was more robust for my tastes compared to Firebug or the horrific early versions of their built-in replacement. I had a good development setup, all the addons I needed, and a fast browser. I simply had little reason to switch back.

I did spend a brief period swapping back to Firefox for the sake of perceived privacy, but then they started bundling all sorts of third party bloatware and it was just too much. I'm not a superfan of the information I imagine Google collects from my using Chrome, but the browser itself is just too good to give up. Firefox now only gets opened to verify cross-browser functionality of frontend UIs I work on, and on rare occasions when I want to use a proxy in a browser without it being used system-wide.

Re:Save Firefox by qwertyuiop924 on Thursday May 12, 2016 @08:39AM (#11682898)
I personally think that firefox got a lot better recently. I've been using ff dev since it launched, and it's been pretty good. And in speed tests, it's started to beat Chrome, although things may have since reversed.

But then, I'm not a web developer

Re:Save Firefox by Grishnakh on Thursday May 12, 2016 @12:07PM (#11684419)
>I'm not a superfan of the information I imagine Google collects from my using Chrome, but the browser itself is just too good to give up.

If you don't want to send information back to Google, don't use Chrome.

Use Chromium instead. It's Chrome, but without the spyware, and only has the open-source components.

It won't work for Netflix though, but for all your other browsing, it should work exactly the same as Chrome. Keep Chrome around for Netflix.

Re:Save Firefox by timlyo on Friday May 13, 2016 @04:17AM (#11689261)
I've got chromium working for Netflix on Linux, haven't tried on windows though.
Re:Save Firefox by cpeterso on Wednesday May 11, 2016 @11:58PM (#11681228)
People might be less likely to use Chrome if it was branded as "the DoubleClick browser". :)
Re:Save Firefox by gear54rus on Wednesday May 11, 2016 @11:54PM (#11681217)
I also use FF in day-to-day both due to privacy concerns and general fitness for my style, but chrome's dev tools are objectively superior, you have to face it...
Re:Save Firefox by vetinari on Thursday May 12, 2016 @06:03AM (#11682403)
I do.

Browser can be either better technically, or you might have valency for certain design decisions.

If there is a browser vendors that claims certain social values, but is constantly failing to execute them in the design, you might as well just use the technically better one that does not pretend to protect the values you consider worth protecting. You will be spared of the constant disappointment.

Re:Save Firefox by sangnoir on Thursday May 12, 2016 @05:51AM (#11682359)
When it was launched, Chrome/Chromium had 2 advantages over Firefox: Speed and superior developer tools.

Chrome was unbelievably quick: the moment you clicked on the launcher and browser 'chrome' (heh) appeared instantaneously, Firefox was comparatively sluggish, and notoriously memory hungry (though that might have been the fault of sloppily written plugins)

Re:Save Firefox by myrryr on Wednesday May 11, 2016 @11:38PM (#11681162)
Speed mostly.
Re:Save Firefox by AckSyn on Wednesday May 11, 2016 @06:23PM (#11679842)
I don't have an issue with them including it, but to make it impossible to remove in an easy 1,2,3 clicks like you can with regular extensions is absolutely asinine. Browsers need to be more modular in this respect but I may be the minority with this opinion.

I wish browsers were more like uzbl, where the default were a simple browser and add-ons were like linux distros. You could have a firefox browser distro with a firefox branding and plugins to get great features but be able to remove them easily or strip it to its bare core.

Re:Save Firefox by azakai on Wednesday May 11, 2016 @06:04PM (#11679727)
It doesn't have to be. If consumers stop using EME-supporters' browsers, things can change quickly.

We have the power, but sadly not the will.

Re:Save Firefox by sounds on Wednesday May 11, 2016 @06:50PM (#11680017)
Actually it's not that hard:

1. Go to https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/

2. Click on the largest version number (46.0.1 right now)

3. Select "EME-free" under your OS

4. Select your language of choice

For the lazy:

https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/46.0.1/mac-EME-...

https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/46.0.1/win64-EM...

https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/46.0.1/linux-x8...

This makes a difference. You won't be able to watch EME-locked content, but every time you try, a content publisher will have to come up with the resources to send you the page with the locked content, all to no avail.

Of course, you'll probably either cancel your Netflix or find a workaround. But you won't be casually supporting EME on sites you never knew were using it. Your every day browsing will automatically block EME.

"The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it." - John Gilmore

Re:Save Firefox by irq-1 on Wednesday May 11, 2016 @11:44PM (#11681178)
You can turn it off in the options. From https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/enable-drm

Opt out of CDM playback, uninstall CDMs and stop all CDM downloads

You have the choice to globally opt out of HTML5 DRM playback. Once you opt out, Firefox will delete any downloaded CDMs from your hard drive, cease all future CDM downloads and disable DRM playback. This affects only DRM-controlled HTML5 audio and video. To opt out of HTML5 DRM playback completely, follow these steps:

    Click the menu button  and choose Options.
    Click the Content panel.
    Remove the check mark next to Play DRM content.
Re:Save Firefox by nileshtrivedi on Thursday May 12, 2016 @04:37AM (#11682131)
No such option in Firefox 46.0 on Ubuntu 16.04.
Re:Save Firefox by cpeterso on Thursday May 12, 2016 @12:51PM (#11684861)
EME is not enabled by default in Firefox on Linux.
Re:Save Firefox by vetinari on Thursday May 12, 2016 @05:51AM (#11682360)
For a normal user, the problem is that the Play DRM content checkbox is hidden by default.

In order to enable it, you must go to about:config and enable browser.eme.ui.enabled. While you are there, you can just disable media.eme.enabled and media.eme.apiVisible.

Re:Save Firefox by cpeterso on Thursday May 12, 2016 @12:51PM (#11684868)
Are you on Linux? The "Play DRM content" checkbox is shown by default on Windows and Mac OS X.
Re:Save Firefox by vetinari on Thursday May 12, 2016 @02:05PM (#11685459)
The default for OSX is hidden - http://imgur.com/3AdT6Vs (46.0.1)

On Windows, it is shown indeed (45.1.1 ESR).

Re:Save Firefox by cpeterso on Friday May 13, 2016 @11:58AM (#11691130)
Thanks for the correction. I forgot that EME support (using Google's Widevine CDM) won't ship on OS X until Firefox 47, which is still in the Firefox Beta channel for another few weeks.
Re:Save Firefox by vetinari on Friday May 13, 2016 @01:27PM (#11691784)
Thanks for the info.
Re:Save Firefox by gajjanag on Wednesday May 11, 2016 @09:58PM (#11680831)
On most Linux distributions, Firefox is built from source and then shipped via a package manager. At least on Arch, --disable-eme is not passed as a configure flag. Yes, one could build Firefox oneself, but it is a beast to compile. It is also ridiculous that this needs to be done at build time.

A perhaps easier approach that should work based on the name (but have not confirmed) is to lock via the user.js method user_pref/lockPref("media.eme.enabled", false). If this works as intended, then simply make this config file part of the deployment should be enough.

Re:Save Firefox by lomnakkus on Wednesday May 11, 2016 @11:50PM (#11681199)
Guess which version will be packaged on the popular Linux distros.
Re:Save Firefox by zbyte64 on Wednesday May 11, 2016 @06:53PM (#11680032)
Consumers have the power but not the knowledge. Users have the knowledge but not the power.

We don't like EME for technical reasons that the average consumer does not understand. Consumers will embrace EME because it connects them to content providers and not doing so would be like the linux users from over a decade ago who couldn't run flash.