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Re:Zenefits Was the Perfect Startup, Then It Self-Disrupted by eudox on Monday May 09, 2016 @11:12AM (#11660395)
I suppose it depends on the context. Considering America's oppressive regulatory environment, and that occupational licensing is bad, I'm usually inclined to call it 'admirable disruption'.
Re:Zenefits Was the Perfect Startup, Then It Self-Disrupted by Kurtz79 on Monday May 09, 2016 @11:23AM (#11660497)
So, being 11th (of 178) in the ranking of the "Economic Freedom" you list below makes the American regulatory environment "oppressive" ?

From the viewpoint of most countries in Europe it would be considered "very liberal".

(EDIT: Also the source you mention is clearly politically biased. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heritage_Foundation )

Re:Zenefits Was the Perfect Startup, Then It Self-Disrupted by icebraining on Monday May 09, 2016 @11:42AM (#11660645)
All sources are politically biased. Some are just more honest about it.
Re:Zenefits Was the Perfect Startup, Then It Self-Disrupted by sammydavis on Monday May 09, 2016 @01:17PM (#11661426)
Just making a generic statement like that without qualifying it serves only to excuse that one source. Are the government of China's comments on Tibet equal in weight to Amnesty International? No. Is the Heritage Fund pushing an agenda equal in trustworthiness to an academic international ranking? Probably not.

However, academic studies from two accredited institutions that don't have a particular ax to grind are probably equally credible.

Re:Zenefits Was the Perfect Startup, Then It Self-Disrupted by icebraining on Monday May 09, 2016 @03:06PM (#11662270)
"Heritage is biased" is the unqualified generic statement, and it serves only to reinforce the dangerous idea that some organizations are unbiased and can be blindly trusted.

Of course Heritage is biased. But their Index has a well defined methodology and provides the data that informs the final score for each country; it can stand on its own, and should be criticized as such.

Re:Zenefits Was the Perfect Startup, Then It Self-Disrupted by humanrebar on Monday May 09, 2016 @11:52AM (#11660736)
Right. See the recent news about Facebook's curation 'algorithm'.
Re:Zenefits Was the Perfect Startup, Then It Self-Disrupted by mc32 on Monday May 09, 2016 @11:14AM (#11660416)
Oppressive regulatory environment? Relative to where, countries which have limited resources and can't enforce regulations to protect consumers?
Re:Zenefits Was the Perfect Startup, Then It Self-Disrupted by eudox on Monday May 09, 2016 @11:17AM (#11660438)
Compared to the first ten countries here: http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking
Re:Zenefits Was the Perfect Startup, Then It Self-Disrupted by humanrebar on Monday May 09, 2016 @11:56AM (#11660776)
It's worth noting that the index there accounts for "business freedom" and "labor freedom" but doesn't really account for what is on topic here: "startup freedom".

Occupational licensing has some overlap, but regulations are often very good for very big businesses since they impede competition from small challengers. Anyway, I'm mostly sympathetic to your points, but it's important to distinguish between being 'business friendly' and being 'friendly to status quo corporations'.

Re:Zenefits Was the Perfect Startup, Then It Self-Disrupted by RobAtticus on Monday May 09, 2016 @11:28AM (#11660530)
So, 90+th percentile for freedom makes the US oppressive?
Re:Zenefits Was the Perfect Startup, Then It Self-Disrupted by jessaustin on Monday May 09, 2016 @11:42AM (#11660641)
In fairness, I haven't seen this objection when people complain about USA health care.
Re:Zenefits Was the Perfect Startup, Then It Self-Disrupted by Dylan16807 on Monday May 09, 2016 @12:19PM (#11660953)
Because the complaint there is closer to "wow, we're paying the most and we're not even close to the top" rather than saying the quality of care is objectively bad.

And we're a good bit worse than 11th there.

Re:Zenefits Was the Perfect Startup, Then It Self-Disrupted by mc32 on Monday May 09, 2016 @11:27AM (#11660524)
How much separates them? Other than NZ which tries hard to bring investment. I don't think there is significant daylight between those at the top. And I don't think it's a good idea to relax the rules in this area of commerce.
Re:Zenefits Was the Perfect Startup, Then It Self-Disrupted by sbov on Monday May 09, 2016 @11:29AM (#11660539)
I'm guessing you have done zero research as to whether Zenefits would have been violating similar regulatory law in any of those 10 other countries.
Re:Zenefits Was the Perfect Startup, Then It Self-Disrupted by serge2k on Monday May 09, 2016 @03:09PM (#11662297)
Occupational Licensing is not universally bad.

Licensed hairdresser? Fuckoff. Licensed doctor? Sounds reasonable. Lawyer? yeah. Engineer? Probably. etc...

Insurance salesperson? maybe.

Really depends on what the license is intended to protect. if it's just a silly barrier to entry that's one thing. If it is to ensure that a person has a minimal level of competence so as to prevent real harm to their customers that's a different thing. A lot will claim to meet the latter standard, I'm skeptical how many do. Insurance sales licensing I would guess to be mostly the former.

That being said, you spend 2 weeks getting licenses sorted out when someone starts and you avoid this whole mess.