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Re:How the Jeans Capital of the World Moved from Texas to China by zer00eyz on Sunday May 08, 2016 @05:09PM (#11655849)
As someone who has the skills (cutting, sewing, buttons, rivets) to make a pair of jeans there is a really simple reason that we (the USA) don't make jeans any more: cost.

Lets take a look at one guy making jeans in the US: http://www.roydenim.com/video (video is a great place to start, you get a sense of what the work looks like). But for $225 a pair, its an indulgence.

Re:How the Jeans Capital of the World Moved from Texas to China by gnopgnip on Sunday May 08, 2016 @09:40PM (#11657042)
You can get USA made jeans for under $40. Round House and Union Line both have them. Roy charges $225 because people will pay. You can get a pair of $200 designer jeans that were made in India or Tunisia.
Re:How the Jeans Capital of the World Moved from Texas to China by discardorama on Sunday May 08, 2016 @09:08PM (#11656924)
FTA: there are 200,000 people employed in Xintang, making 300M jeans/year. That's an average of 1500 jeans/employee. Assuming an average wage of 30K/employee, that's $20/jean extra. Surely not a bank-breaking sum? Jeans vary in prices from about $30 - $300, so an additional $20/jean isn't outside the realm of possibility.
Re:How the Jeans Capital of the World Moved from Texas to China by pkaye on Sunday May 08, 2016 @05:39PM (#11656002)
Despite all the effort involved, when I look up online, most of the $225 jeans is markup. One website mentioned for a $200 pairs of jeans, $21 for the materials, $6 for labor and $8 for for overseas factory profit. So really a lot of it is markup, middlemen, branding, etc. Yet is is convenient to blame it on the high cost of labor to manufacturer it.
Re:How the Jeans Capital of the World Moved from Texas to China by zer00eyz on Sunday May 08, 2016 @05:57PM (#11656135)
IN the case of the video linked it is a one man shop, in Oakland CA USA. 20$ in material is probably right on the money. other costs are probably 20$ (power, equipment upkeep)...

The rest is pay for himself. It probably takes 6-10 hours to build a pair of jeans at the level he is doing it at, and that leaves him making a reasonable hourly rate

Re:How the Jeans Capital of the World Moved from Texas to China by chris_va on Sunday May 08, 2016 @05:45PM (#11656049)
Keep in mind that the vast majority of clothing is not sold at retail prices (and some of it is not sold ever). It depends on the brand, but maybe %20 is a good ballpark.

Also, there are development costs, etc.

Finally, the manufacturer isn't seeing $200. They only get the wholesale price (if they are lucky), or a percentage after the sale. With factories often needing payment upfront, and the brand not making money until after a sale occurs (if ever), there is a lot of risk that needs to be priced into the product.

Re:How the Jeans Capital of the World Moved from Texas to China by tiatia on Monday May 09, 2016 @01:35AM (#11657821)
"most of the $225 jeans is markup." I don't like your wording here. While you don't say it is "profit", it seems to suggest it.

How a about costs for the salesperson in the US? Rent for the store? Branding and marketing costs may be huge.

I recently looked into hand made automatic watches. The main difference between the major brands and smaller (EU based) unknown brands seems to be marketing. You can't pick up a life style magazine of visit an airport without advertisement for watches. This costs money.

Re:How the Jeans Capital of the World Moved from Texas to China by airplane on Sunday May 08, 2016 @05:36PM (#11655978)
I am guessing you made jeans before, if so can you share and estimate the cost of materials and time it takes for one pair of jeans? Am curious because $225 for time and materials seems like too much to me.

Perhaps these guys in the video run too small of an operation to have the costs spread around and to invest in tech to speed up the process.

Re:How the Jeans Capital of the World Moved from Texas to China by zer00eyz on Sunday May 08, 2016 @06:17PM (#11656249)
Not jeans, but rather very expensive dresses, and at a very small scale.

1500$ dress, has probably $150-200 in material (bought at/near wholesale prices), I'm sure that the jeans in the above video probably have about $20 in material.

Labor is the killer: Cutting, sewing and finishing one of those dresses is a 20 - 30 hour job. There are other costs too, some ongoing like customer service, shipping, marketing, some one time, like grading patterns so that you can make more than one size of an item, or getting photos taken of it for your store.

There isn't really a lot of "tech" in clothing manufacture. Sewing machines haven't changed much in 50 years, the fact that 50 year old equipment is STILL used for production should tell you something about the industry. It is HARD to automate something that is so nuanced.

The way it happens in an industrial setting is the same way its always been done. Lots of people doing the same job over and over on an assembly line. Yes some things have been automated to some degree but not to the extent they have in other industries.

Edit: Yes I have made jeans for myself before, but never at scale.

Re:How the Jeans Capital of the World Moved from Texas to China by theklub on Sunday May 08, 2016 @05:54PM (#11656115)
Here is another, http://www.hartforddenimcompany.com/

Same thing though, basically a luxury product.

Re:How the Jeans Capital of the World Moved from Texas to China by unethical_ban on Sunday May 08, 2016 @05:34PM (#11655970)
You should have the skills to operate the machine that makes 5,000 pairs a day. Why can't mass manufacturing in America be a thing?
Re:How the Jeans Capital of the World Moved from Texas to China by michaelt on Sunday May 08, 2016 @06:18PM (#11656260)

  operate the machine that makes 5,000 pairs a day
Robotics engineer here.

It turns out it's ridiculously difficult to make machines that will reliably deal with small, flexible, sometimes-overlapping, sometimes-folded, identically coloured bits of fabric.

You can automate parts of the garment-making process - embroidery, cutting things from rolls, stuff like that - but sewing the bits together automatically is really difficult for a machine, compared to a human.

If you've got clever solutions for this feel free to advance the technology - I'd really like a robot that can do my laundry :)

Re:How the Jeans Capital of the World Moved from Texas to China by lazaroclapp on Sunday May 08, 2016 @06:46PM (#11656356)
This is probably fairly naive, but does having non-identically couloured bits of fabric help? Maybe by using temporary dyes that can be washed out at the end of the fabrication process (or evaporate before that)?
Re:How the Jeans Capital of the World Moved from Texas to China by RGamma on Sunday May 08, 2016 @07:18PM (#11656491)
It's somehow hard to believe that clever engineers couldn't come up with something, although I don't have anything to offer in this regard.

Maybe one would need to think about entirely different sewing patterns (that must look the part) and cloth stretching/folding mechanisms for this problem.

It's easy to see why you (with current technology) can't simply "make a robot that does what the human does" here.

Re:How the Jeans Capital of the World Moved from Texas to China by zer00eyz on Wednesday May 11, 2016 @12:58AM (#11672734)
You have a totally valid line of thinking going on.

Take something like the humble T-shirt. The process of making those is way more "automated" than it was even 30 years ago. The reason for this is that the t-shirt hasn't changed THAT much in 30 years, and is now more popular than ever. Due to the material, and the pattern, there is a lot of it that is the exact same step between product variations (size, cut etc) or can be done on the same machine the same way.

However, something as simple as pants, not only change seasonaly (shorts) but they change annualy. It is easier for a car manufacturer to build an automated assembly line for welding a frame, than it is for a manufacturer of clothing to do the same for "this seasons" hot item.

For the sake of argument, if we all agreed to wear bellbottoms for the rest of time as our only pants, and to only make them out of one kind of denim, it would STILL be hard for all the reasons mentioned above, but we would have reason to automate (scale). Even then, your producing the pants in 60 some odd waist/lenght combos for men, never mind women, children, teens.

Re:How the Jeans Capital of the World Moved from Texas to China by Kalium on Sunday May 08, 2016 @11:28PM (#11657429)
http://www.economist.com/news/technology-quarterly/21651925-...

So, the technology exists, more or less. Like all new technology, it takes time to roll out.

Re:How the Jeans Capital of the World Moved from Texas to China by zer00eyz on Sunday May 08, 2016 @06:24PM (#11656278)
It can be: american giant is an example.

Having recently gotten one of their hoodies, I can say that the quality is excellent vs what you might buy at target/gap/local retail.

But it isn't the stitching or the fabric that is the reason for me disposing of a hoodie (as an example) its going to be staining, or unavoidable damage (snagged my clothing on something).

Re:How the Jeans Capital of the World Moved from Texas to China by thrownaway2424 on Sunday May 08, 2016 @05:36PM (#11655984)
Mass manufacturing is a thing in America. America makes more stuff than any other country except, quite recently, China.
Re:How the Jeans Capital of the World Moved from Texas to China by chris_va on Sunday May 08, 2016 @05:46PM (#11656064)
Also let's not forget regulation (even good regulation) is expensive to follow.
Re:How the Jeans Capital of the World Moved from Texas to China by evanpw on Sunday May 08, 2016 @06:03PM (#11656174)
US industrial output is way up over the past few decades; it's just industrial employment that's way down.
Re:How the Jeans Capital of the World Moved from Texas to China by proyb on Sunday May 08, 2016 @09:11PM (#11656933)
If needle break or misalignment in sewing, it become a defective. Same as there are defective PCB in the manufacturing.