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Re:Living Only on Bitcoins by fiatjaf on Sunday May 08, 2016 @01:21PM (#11654784)
Why?
Re:Living Only on Bitcoins by cmurf on Sunday May 08, 2016 @01:34PM (#11654849)
You haven't really thought your own question through very far, have you? You pay your internet and utility bills with cash? That's a problem in the U.S. In other countries many businesses are cashless, often even public transit is increasingly cashless.

Update: I'm even thinking of landlords of multitenant buildings, there's just no way they're going to take e.g. $100,000 in cash from everyone each month. It's really not workable. The apartment I had in NYC a few years ago was conventional check only. No cash possible, no credit card, no EFT.

Re:Living Only on Bitcoins by cesarb on Sunday May 08, 2016 @02:20PM (#11655059)
Here in Brazil, ISP and other bills usually come in the form of a Boleto Bancário (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boleto_Banc%C3%A1rio), which you can pay with cash at the bank (or at lottery stores). Utility bills use a similar system. From the point of view of the bill issuer, it's cashless.

I don't know how it works on other countries, but I'd expect similar systems.

Re:Living Only on Bitcoins by ghock on Sunday May 08, 2016 @02:22PM (#11655071)
Similar in most of Europe as far as I know, though many use online banking now. Haven't seen a check in 20 years.
Re:Living Only on Bitcoins by fiatjaf on Sunday May 08, 2016 @04:00PM (#11655478)
I thought you lived in a country with high inflation, like Argentina.
Re:Living Only on Bitcoins by cmurf on Monday May 09, 2016 @02:53AM (#11658025)
No, I'm thinking of the landlord making that size deposit. I know of no one walking around with $3000 cash to go pay rent let alone the landlord walking even two blocks to a bank to deposit that from everyone in the building.
Re:Living Only on Bitcoins by CydeWeys on Sunday May 08, 2016 @01:23PM (#11654798)
It's not really a viable option for anyone. You're exposing yourself to huge risk of theft/destruction/confiscation, and you're losing out to inflation every year. Much safer to keep your money in an FDIC-insured bank account. If you have more than the maximum, then open up several bank accounts.

Any event catastrophic enough to wipe out money in FDIC-insured bank accounts would also affect your paper currency. If you're really worried about that eventuality, best to hoard gold.

EDIT: Let me clarify, I suppose it is a viable option if you are living paycheck to paycheck, but if you have accumulated wealth of any significance, it is not.

Re:Living Only on Bitcoins by quality10 on Sunday May 08, 2016 @03:52PM (#11655443)
Losing money in bank is not theoretical. I have to pay income tax, just because I receive money through bank account.

Using bank means paying

- income tax and insurance

- debt collectors

- fines

Any mistake can result in astronomical fines and wipe all savings.

If I earn less than minimum wage, I have to pay 100% tax or more. That's because there is minimum monthly social benefits contribution.

With cash and bitcoin they never know if I have money.

Maybe foreign bonds and offshore accounts are good solution for storing money.

Re:Living Only on Bitcoins by hueving on Sunday May 08, 2016 @06:13PM (#11656227)
>I have to pay income tax, just because I receive money through bank account.

No, you have to pay income tax regardless of how you receive money. Bitcoin just makes it easier for you to avoid the law and be a leech on society by not paying taxes.

Re:Living Only on Bitcoins by CydeWeys on Sunday May 08, 2016 @10:19PM (#11657202)
Ah, got it, so you're one of those people, one who heard the news about the Panama Papers, and rather than being outraged, thought "Oh that's a good idea!"
Re:Living Only on Bitcoins by matt_wulfeck on Sunday May 08, 2016 @11:07PM (#11657353)
I don't know where you live, but here in the US the IRS simply has to ask you if you have a foreign (or crypto) bank account and you'd smart not to lie to them.

If they can't get the money because they don't have he private key they can simply put you in prison.

Re:Living Only on Bitcoins by joosters on Sunday May 08, 2016 @04:23PM (#11655587)
So you're trying to evade taxes and not pay for your share of social benefits? You will feel at home in the Bitcoin community.
Re:Living Only on Bitcoins by XorNot on Sunday May 08, 2016 @02:11PM (#11655013)
Any recent event which wipes out FDIC accounts is going to devalue all that gold a surprising amount too.
Re:Living Only on Bitcoins by matt_wulfeck on Sunday May 08, 2016 @11:08PM (#11657356)
This is true, but you still have something you can trade for bread.
Re:Living Only on Bitcoins by CydeWeys on Monday May 09, 2016 @12:26PM (#11661017)
So what's better in that case -- ammo?
Re:Living Only on Bitcoins by evilsocket on Sunday May 08, 2016 @01:23PM (#11654793)
i pay my rent and bills with wire transfer, same goes for 99% of my purchases ( mostly on amazon ) ... my paycheck is sent me as wire transfer as well ... how am I supposed to live just on cash? :) I only use cash to buy cigarettes basically ... using only cash would make my life very, VERY, hard.
Re:Living Only on Bitcoins by Karunamon on Sunday May 08, 2016 @01:30PM (#11654827)
Aren't wire transfers incredibly expensive? (Something like upwards of $20 for the sender and the recipient?)

That may just be an American thing though, countries with first world banking systems may have that sorted :)

Re:Living Only on Bitcoins by david-given on Sunday May 08, 2016 @01:48PM (#11654905)
Here in Switzerland the entire financial system is arranged via wire transfers.

I get a bill. At the bottom of the bill is a red pay-in slip with a magic number on it. I log in to my bank, enter the number, tell it how much I want to transfer, done.

There's a not-used-enough automatic system where one of my creditors can send their bills directly to my bank. Now, I log into my bank, get told there's a pending e-bill, at which point I select it, press 'pay', done.

No fees anywhere.

I'm from the UK, which is just starting to do this, but it's nothing like as polished; small traders and tradesmen still prefer cheques, and regular payments are typically done via direct debit, where you authorise them to debit money directly out of your bank account (with a whole pile of banking guarantees). Switzerland seems to do this much less frequently; most people just pay the invoices monthly.

Re:Living Only on Bitcoins by Gracana on Sunday May 08, 2016 @03:24PM (#11655351)
Wow, I would love it if things worked that way in the US. Even without the "automatic system," that's pretty awesome.
Re:Living Only on Bitcoins by jacobush on Sunday May 08, 2016 @03:02PM (#11655256)
This is identical to how's it done in Sweden
Re:Living Only on Bitcoins by pbarnes_1 on Sunday May 08, 2016 @07:27PM (#11656534)
And Australia.

Plus transfers are free... and appear same day in the other account.

The US is a different kettle of fish.

Re:Living Only on Bitcoins by sdlion on Sunday May 08, 2016 @01:52PM (#11654922)
With wire-transfers you mean international wire-transfers? I think it might be just an american thing, mexican banks usually don't charge you anything for wire-transfers inside the country (in their "use your credit/debit card at least once each month plans") and well, it's Mexico. Though I think "first world"-something is quite the phrase just to describe consumer comfort: not advanced, not better (or worse), just "it's ok, I don't mind".

---EDIT---

Wire-transfers between national banks are free if you wait a day; there's a small fixed fee if you want them immediately. Transfers between different clients in the same bank are free and immediate. And it's becoming very common to be able to pay a quite assorted list of services through your e-bank account (from utilities to departmental store accounts) without fees.

Re:Living Only on Bitcoins by ascorbic on Sunday May 08, 2016 @01:42PM (#11654878)
Transfers in the UK are free and instant.
Re:Living Only on Bitcoins by evilsocket on Sunday May 08, 2016 @01:42PM (#11654877)
not where I live