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Re:Facebook bends the rules of audience engagement to its ad... by Aelinsaar on Thursday May 05, 2016 @08:22PM (#11640771)
Exactly. Usage patterns and "deriving value" seem like very different beasts.
Re:Facebook bends the rules of audience engagement to its ad... by cryptoz on Thursday May 05, 2016 @08:39PM (#11640849)
Yes; in fact, this statement would have made a lot more sense:

> "The time people spend using our products is a good measure of whether they're delivering value to us."

Re:Facebook bends the rules of audience engagement to its ad... by Aelinsaar on Thursday May 05, 2016 @08:40PM (#11640856)
Now that's a little ominous, but yeah absolutely. It also fits with the "consumer as product" viewpoint.
Re:Facebook bends the rules of audience engagement to its ad... by cryptoz on Thursday May 05, 2016 @09:47PM (#11641129)
Isn't the only logical endpoint for Facebook to become a VR world where we all spend 100% of our time? That's what a forever-continuing revenue increase would create, right? And that's exactly how the incentive structures exist right now.

I don't really like that society places such high emphasis on structures that create dystopias.

Re:Facebook bends the rules of audience engagement to its ad... by wallacoloo on Thursday May 05, 2016 @10:39PM (#11641322)
Interestingly, I think there may be a point beyond which Facebook begins to lose revenue as users spend more time on their site.

Think about it - their revenue comes from turn-over. They don't make money because you spend time on facebook - they make money because you spend time/money elsewhere, and they know enough about you to encourage you to spend more money on other people's products or otherwise sell their knowledge of you to people who can make those sales.

At some point wherein Facebook occupies an exceptional amount of a user's time - when it becomes the only product a user wants - Facebook won't be able to sell you anything. At this point, the company would probably need to find other ways to profit besides advertising. But I don't think we'll ever get anywhere near the point at which an increase in FB use time corresponds to a decrease in advertiser value anyway.

Re:Facebook bends the rules of audience engagement to its ad... by intrasight on Thursday May 05, 2016 @10:52PM (#11641371)
you are neglecting in-app purchases
Re:Facebook bends the rules of audience engagement to its ad... by newjersey on Friday May 06, 2016 @02:28AM (#11642084)
At some point, time spent on Facebook will start competing against time spent playing candy crush saga.
Re:Facebook bends the rules of audience engagement to its ad... by taneq on Friday May 06, 2016 @12:02AM (#11641610)
On the plus side, beyond a certain point Facebook is going to have to start investing heavily in life-extension technology for their users, so as to continue increasing the time that users can use Facebook.
Re:Facebook bends the rules of audience engagement to its ad... by raddad on Friday May 06, 2016 @04:51AM (#11642574)
>VR world where we all spend 100% of our time

<sarcasm> Farmville !! I can't wait !! </sarcasm>

<!-- Sarcasm not towards you, towards my thought of VR farmville -->

Re:Facebook bends the rules of audience engagement to its ad... by goldenkey on Friday May 06, 2016 @09:01AM (#11643633)
You mignt as well just ask...Why not VR Zoidberg?
Re:Facebook bends the rules of audience engagement to its ad... by cwilkes on Friday May 06, 2016 @01:41AM (#11641944)
At a "big data" talk Yahoo gave one of the keynotes where they asked which one of the two email samples had the "most engagement" Surprise surprise it was the one with the confusing text on it -- people were clicking on it to see what the heck it meant.

But to the Yahoo guys that meant that email was better as it got more clicks. And I suppose it is better if that's how your bonus is constructed.

Re:Facebook bends the rules of audience engagement to its ad... by coupdetaco on Friday May 06, 2016 @06:19AM (#11642841)
No really. Send slightly jacked-up canned emails. Gravitas!
Re:Facebook bends the rules of audience engagement to its ad... by cb18 on Thursday May 05, 2016 @09:01PM (#11640939)
Well, value in sating a compulsive or addictive behavior, but not all values are equal.
Re:Facebook bends the rules of audience engagement to its ad... by arcticfox on Thursday May 05, 2016 @09:18PM (#11641027)
Exactly, I agree. That's why I didn't disagree with the statement, just qualified it with more examples to illustrate your point.
Re:Facebook bends the rules of audience engagement to its ad... by rhizome on Thursday May 05, 2016 @11:25PM (#11641474)
That so many exceptions and alternative interpretations are possible makes "value" a meaningless term. Perhaps some day reporters won't go MEGO[1] when hearing it.

1. https://www.mattcutts.com/blog/mego/

Re:Facebook bends the rules of audience engagement to its ad... by cb18 on Friday May 06, 2016 @12:58AM (#11641783)
Value is just like a variable, it is a place holder for what matters. And the value of the value can vary depending on the person or the situation. It could be a positive or a negative value, a value of high importance or minimal importance. Assigning something a value just basically means you're not entirely disinterested in it.
Re:Facebook bends the rules of audience engagement to its ad... by rhizome on Friday May 06, 2016 @10:22PM (#11648060)
Thanks. Well said.