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Re:Kanye West On Creativity by maxklein on Wednesday March 03, 2010 @07:21AM (#1163926)
What's impressive about Kanye is that when he reached the peak of the particular art form he was in (his music), he was willing to start on a whole new art form, where it was sure that he would initially have to go through a pain process.

That's what we all have to do. Not just keep repeating the same shit in slightly different forms, but go somewhere else and do something new.

You can't know what you don't know till you've been somewhere you haven't ever been.

Re:Kanye West On Creativity by andrewcooke on Wednesday March 03, 2010 @08:32AM (#1164019)
hi - i don't know much about the guy, except that he's a rap artist. what's the new art form?
Re:Kanye West On Creativity by sachinag on Wednesday March 03, 2010 @08:58AM (#1164061)
He, essentially, wrote and performed a bunch of love songs and ballads on 808s and Heartbreak. Sure, they're Auto-Tuned out of their gourds, but they're heartfelt love songs, all about a girl who left him. On some, he's angry at her, and on some, he's doing his standard "I'm awesome" thing.

But, as you can imagine, most rappers don't do a concept album all about the girl who broke his heart.

Re:Kanye West On Creativity by yesimahuman on Wednesday March 03, 2010 @10:59AM (#1164343)
I don't think Kanye's work is all that ground breaking. However, it is ground breaking in the mainstream, and he is bringing depth to a shallow mainstream genre. I think that is is main achievement.

If you listen to music outside of the mainstream (yes, even rap), 808s and Heartbreak doesn't seem like that original or impressive of an album, and there are works by other artists that are far less appreciated or noticed but could make bigger impacts both musically and socially. I do, however, really enjoy a few of the songs on that album, and I think Kanye is an inspiring person even if he can be a total douche.

Re:Kanye West On Creativity by mrtron on Wednesday March 03, 2010 @10:05AM (#1164211)
The additional point that maxklein made was this was coming off one of the best softcore, pop rap albums of all time. It sold something like a million in a week, and then was huge worldwide.

He could have made another album like Graduation and sold 10 times the records 808 did. If you want to gain some respect for Kanye, go download the Graduation album and listen to it start to finish. Not only is it great, but it is very introspective and self-critical.

Re:Kanye West On Creativity by sachinag on Wednesday March 03, 2010 @10:22AM (#1164253)
Absolutely - the dude's not the best rapper, but he's easily the best lyricist of this generation.
Re:Kanye West On Creativity by starkfist on Wednesday March 03, 2010 @10:26AM (#1164257)
indeed

How could you be so Dr. Evil

You're bringing out a side of me that I don't know

I decided we weren't gonna speak so why we up 3 a.m. on the phone

Why does she be so mad at me for, homie I don't know she's hot and cold

I won't stop, won't mess my groove up cause I already know how this thing goes,

You run and tell your friends that you're leavin' me

They say that they don't see what you see in me

You wait a couple months then you gon' see,

You'll never find nobody better than me

It's pure poetry. Never matched or surpassed. He's truly the Bob Dylan of our times.

Re:Kanye West On Creativity by ibsulon on Wednesday March 03, 2010 @11:35AM (#1164450)
No. Bob Dylan is still the Bob Dylan of our times. Go listen to Modern Times or Love and Theft again. In the genre, I'll still put Common above Kanye in lyrics, and so would Jay-Z. How about The Roots?

Kayne, as a producer, does great work. His lyrics are usually good. (I'm not a fan of Misogynist hits like Kanye's Workout Plan or Golddigger, but hey.) But Bob Dylan?

Re:Kanye West On Creativity by starkfist on Wednesday March 03, 2010 @11:37AM (#1164457)
Well, I was being sarcastic. I grew up with the rhymesayers and think Kanye's lyrics are a joke. I'd rather listen to Little Wayne, at least he's not pretending to be deep.
Re:Kanye West On Creativity by swivelmaster on Wednesday March 03, 2010 @12:13PM (#1164546)
They're hit or miss. I don't think the quoted line is particularly good, but some of his lyrics are very clever, or very introspective, or very funny, or all three at the same time.
Re:Kanye West On Creativity by starkfist on Wednesday March 03, 2010 @12:26PM (#1164576)
His beats are better than his rhymes. I generally like his albums when they first come out, but I don't feel they have much staying power.
Re:Kanye West On Creativity by carbocation on Wednesday March 03, 2010 @12:58PM (#1164648)
I'd go with Talib Kweli, Jay-Z, Common, Kanye - in that order - for their lyrics. And really, the first three are in a league of their own.
Re:Kanye West On Creativity by ibsulon on Wednesday March 03, 2010 @10:31PM (#1166070)
Well, just for Illmatic I'd put Nas above Kanye. Nice call on Talib Kweli, though.

(Admitting to knowing and liking hip-hop is probably instant disqualification for any future YC application. :)

Re:Kanye West On Creativity by carbocation on Friday March 05, 2010 @12:27AM (#1168904)
I can't believe I left Nas off that list. I don't think you need to worry about YC applications: "I'm the Buffalo Solider / Smoke you like a dreadlocked Rasta / loadin' a spliff" Surely PG would appreciate the poetry in that.

And this is magically topical, since in my mind it reinforces that Kanye may be a great producer, but even Jay says, "If skills sold / Truth be told / I'd probably be / Lyrically / Talib Kweli."

Re:Kanye West On Creativity by starkfist on Wednesday March 03, 2010 @08:50AM (#1164049)
what's the new art form?

Autotune. He also assembled a team of people hipper than himself to do research and development for him. In this way he's similar to contemporary artists like murakami, hirst and koons in that he's more of a manager, while his employees do the work of figuring out what's hip and helping him incorporate that into his music, videos and fashion sense.

Re:Kanye West On Creativity by retro on Wednesday March 03, 2010 @11:01AM (#1164349)
What's Autotune?

Auto-Tune was also used to produce the prominent altered vocal effect on Cher's "Believe," recorded in 1998. When first interviewed about this, the sound engineers claimed that they had used a vocoder, in what Sound on Sound perceived as an attempt to preserve a trade secret.[7] After the massive success of "Believe," many artists imitated the technique. It was evident in songs of the late 1990s and early 2000s. Some notable examples are Gigi D'Agostino's "La Passion" and Janet Jackson's US #1 hit "All For You," among many others. After years of relative dormancy, the effect was revived in the mid-2000s by R&B singer T-Pain, who elaborated on the effect in contemporary popular music by making active use of it in his songs, a style that has since gone on to be imitated by numerous other R&B and pop artists[8] such as Kanye West and, more recently, Jamie Foxx in his hit song, "Blame It".[9]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto-Tune

Re:Kanye West On Creativity by dasil003 on Wednesday March 03, 2010 @02:14PM (#1164834)
Jay-Z also made a much needed musical commentary on autotune:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D.O.A._(Death_of_Auto-Tune)

Personally, I think the hordes of talentless R&B "singers" using auto-tune have completely destroyed its creative potential. I cringe every time I hear it.

Re:Kanye West On Creativity by CoachRufus87 on Wednesday March 03, 2010 @08:35AM (#1164026)
there's more than one form of rap
Re:Kanye West On Creativity by andrewcooke on Wednesday March 03, 2010 @10:13AM (#1164234)
that's true, but Not just keep repeating the same shit in slightly different forms, but go somewhere else and do something new gave me slightly higher expectations, all the same.