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Re:Kanye West On Creativity by sachinag on Wednesday March 03, 2010 @08:58AM (#1164061)
He, essentially, wrote and performed a bunch of love songs and ballads on 808s and Heartbreak. Sure, they're Auto-Tuned out of their gourds, but they're heartfelt love songs, all about a girl who left him. On some, he's angry at her, and on some, he's doing his standard "I'm awesome" thing.

But, as you can imagine, most rappers don't do a concept album all about the girl who broke his heart.

Re:Kanye West On Creativity by yesimahuman on Wednesday March 03, 2010 @10:59AM (#1164343)
I don't think Kanye's work is all that ground breaking. However, it is ground breaking in the mainstream, and he is bringing depth to a shallow mainstream genre. I think that is is main achievement.

If you listen to music outside of the mainstream (yes, even rap), 808s and Heartbreak doesn't seem like that original or impressive of an album, and there are works by other artists that are far less appreciated or noticed but could make bigger impacts both musically and socially. I do, however, really enjoy a few of the songs on that album, and I think Kanye is an inspiring person even if he can be a total douche.

Re:Kanye West On Creativity by mrtron on Wednesday March 03, 2010 @10:05AM (#1164211)
The additional point that maxklein made was this was coming off one of the best softcore, pop rap albums of all time. It sold something like a million in a week, and then was huge worldwide.

He could have made another album like Graduation and sold 10 times the records 808 did. If you want to gain some respect for Kanye, go download the Graduation album and listen to it start to finish. Not only is it great, but it is very introspective and self-critical.

Re:Kanye West On Creativity by sachinag on Wednesday March 03, 2010 @10:22AM (#1164253)
Absolutely - the dude's not the best rapper, but he's easily the best lyricist of this generation.
Re:Kanye West On Creativity by starkfist on Wednesday March 03, 2010 @10:26AM (#1164257)
indeed

How could you be so Dr. Evil

You're bringing out a side of me that I don't know

I decided we weren't gonna speak so why we up 3 a.m. on the phone

Why does she be so mad at me for, homie I don't know she's hot and cold

I won't stop, won't mess my groove up cause I already know how this thing goes,

You run and tell your friends that you're leavin' me

They say that they don't see what you see in me

You wait a couple months then you gon' see,

You'll never find nobody better than me

It's pure poetry. Never matched or surpassed. He's truly the Bob Dylan of our times.

Re:Kanye West On Creativity by ibsulon on Wednesday March 03, 2010 @11:35AM (#1164450)
No. Bob Dylan is still the Bob Dylan of our times. Go listen to Modern Times or Love and Theft again. In the genre, I'll still put Common above Kanye in lyrics, and so would Jay-Z. How about The Roots?

Kayne, as a producer, does great work. His lyrics are usually good. (I'm not a fan of Misogynist hits like Kanye's Workout Plan or Golddigger, but hey.) But Bob Dylan?

Re:Kanye West On Creativity by starkfist on Wednesday March 03, 2010 @11:37AM (#1164457)
Well, I was being sarcastic. I grew up with the rhymesayers and think Kanye's lyrics are a joke. I'd rather listen to Little Wayne, at least he's not pretending to be deep.
Re:Kanye West On Creativity by swivelmaster on Wednesday March 03, 2010 @12:13PM (#1164546)
They're hit or miss. I don't think the quoted line is particularly good, but some of his lyrics are very clever, or very introspective, or very funny, or all three at the same time.
Re:Kanye West On Creativity by starkfist on Wednesday March 03, 2010 @12:26PM (#1164576)
His beats are better than his rhymes. I generally like his albums when they first come out, but I don't feel they have much staying power.
Re:Kanye West On Creativity by carbocation on Wednesday March 03, 2010 @12:58PM (#1164648)
I'd go with Talib Kweli, Jay-Z, Common, Kanye - in that order - for their lyrics. And really, the first three are in a league of their own.
Re:Kanye West On Creativity by ibsulon on Wednesday March 03, 2010 @10:31PM (#1166070)
Well, just for Illmatic I'd put Nas above Kanye. Nice call on Talib Kweli, though.

(Admitting to knowing and liking hip-hop is probably instant disqualification for any future YC application. :)

Re:Kanye West On Creativity by carbocation on Friday March 05, 2010 @12:27AM (#1168904)
I can't believe I left Nas off that list. I don't think you need to worry about YC applications: "I'm the Buffalo Solider / Smoke you like a dreadlocked Rasta / loadin' a spliff" Surely PG would appreciate the poetry in that.

And this is magically topical, since in my mind it reinforces that Kanye may be a great producer, but even Jay says, "If skills sold / Truth be told / I'd probably be / Lyrically / Talib Kweli."