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Re:Facebook rewarded a 10-year-old for finding Instagram sec... by saalweachter on Tuesday May 03, 2016 @05:33PM (#11624415)
What's the marketplace like?

On the seller side, how easy is it to actually get paid? There's no point in trying to sell exploits if you're just going to get cheated, get busted selling to some sort of undercover law enforcement, or just go to a lot of trouble for not a lot of payoff.

From a buyer perspective, you need to have a way to verify an exploit, or else you're just buying a pig in a poke. And you need a way to monetize the exploit, or some other motivation. And you really have no way to know how long your exploit will remain functional.

(Or, you know, people could be basically good.)

Re:Facebook rewarded a 10-year-old for finding Instagram sec... by jsprogrammer on Tuesday May 03, 2016 @05:41PM (#11624460)
Is there really information that you can obtain on your own that you can be criminally prosecuted for sharing?

On what basis could law enforcement act undercover to trap sellers?

Re:Facebook rewarded a 10-year-old for finding Instagram sec... by tptacek on Tuesday May 03, 2016 @05:54PM (#11624547)
Easy. All the sting operation has to do is make it clear to the seller what the "buyer" "intends" to do with the bug. It doesn't even have to be overt: they could simply say "we are looking to pay $10,000 for a bug that would enable us to download all the private photographs from Justin Bieber's Facebook account".
Re:Facebook rewarded a 10-year-old for finding Instagram sec... by noxToken on Tuesday May 03, 2016 @06:02PM (#11624606)
It depends on the information.

This only applies to the US, as the laws are probably difference elsewhere. The CFAA[1] is a very vague and broad law that aims to stop people from accessing systems, sending malicious data, etc. It is intentionally written in such a way to be forgiving to the victim since security is hard by default [citation needed]. So even if you found an exploit without using it yourself, you'll probably be charged with aiding and abetting or something similar.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Fraud_and_Abuse_Act

Re:Facebook rewarded a 10-year-old for finding Instagram sec... by tptacek on Tuesday May 03, 2016 @06:12PM (#11624670)
If you exchange money for an exploit that you know will be used to commit a specific crime, you are an accessory to that crime. The CFAA doesn't have much to do with it.

Selling exploits in general is not that legally risky†. Prosecutors have to prove mens rea at trial, beyond a reasonable doubt. People sell bugs to anonymous marketplaces all the time.

The question isn't whether selling Facebook bugs to the black market is itself illegal. It's whether the DOJ could set up a sting to capitalize on the greed of people who would do that. Yes, they could.

† It's not not legally risky, either, especially in the case of bugs like these, where you've been given permission to attack Facebook's servers only in conjunction with their bounty program --- your civil liability to a website that doesn't run a bounty, if you sold a bug you found in their site and it was used in some way to harm them, could be astronomical.

Re:Facebook rewarded a 10-year-old for finding Instagram sec... by noxToken on Tuesday May 03, 2016 @09:33PM (#11625562)
I see you around HN all the time. Clicked your profile.

> Formerly: founder @ Matasano

Neat! Matasano is what got me into crypto - though my pursuit has since been limited.

Re:Facebook rewarded a 10-year-old for finding Instagram sec... by tptacek on Tuesday May 03, 2016 @10:21PM (#11625721)
Indeed, it is I, Sardo Numspaa!

I'm glad you liked the crypto stuff we did!

Re:Facebook rewarded a 10-year-old for finding Instagram sec... by 2muchcoffeeman on Tuesday May 03, 2016 @05:53PM (#11624542)
GP is not talking about just sharing. This is selling information for monetary gain. The buyer of which is also attempting to profit from it.