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Re:Firefox fades in popularity by gchucky on Tuesday March 02, 2010 @08:29AM (#1161289)
I'm probably going to get downvoted for this, but I'm going to keep using Firefox. If nothing else, my paranoia senses are tingling with regard to Google. These days I'm heavily invested in Google - their software runs my phone, handles my email, and is my main way of searching. If nothing else, I'd rather not put all my eggs in one basket, and would rather diversify a little.
Re:Firefox fades in popularity by rue on Tuesday March 02, 2010 @10:34AM (#1161594)
I do not particularly like Google; too much power in one unaccountable entity. Fortunately the sentiment has gained popularity of late.

Chrome might be a really nice and fast browser, but Firefox is - as yet - fast enough and it provides the 4 addons that I find essential to browsing.

Re:Firefox fades in popularity by robotron on Tuesday March 02, 2010 @08:33AM (#1161295)
(I was tempted to downvote you just for saying "I'm probably going to get downvoted for this")

That's a reason that is probably shared among a significant group of people. It doesn't address the failings in Firefox's need to keep up with the competition, though.

Re:Firefox fades in popularity by bruceboughton on Tuesday March 02, 2010 @08:48AM (#1161325)
It's interesting that out of all the services Google offer you, the one you decide to turn down is their web browser. Is that an indication of the relative importance to you of these services?
Re:Firefox fades in popularity by notauser on Tuesday March 02, 2010 @08:44AM (#1161316)
At least it'll be better to use Firefox with a majority WebKit share than it was to use Seamonkey with a majority IE6 share back in '0X!
Re:Firefox fades in popularity by tvon on Tuesday March 02, 2010 @10:06AM (#1161508)
Why would you think you'd be down-voted for that?
Re:Firefox fades in popularity by JeremyBanks on Tuesday March 02, 2010 @10:18AM (#1161544)
I'd cynically say that it's because any post starting with "I'm sure I'll be downvoted, but..." tends to get a much better score than it otherwise would, even if it's not particularly applicable.
Re:Firefox fades in popularity by MikeCapone on Tuesday March 02, 2010 @09:56AM (#1161481)
Chromium is open source, so if Google does something really bad with it, it can be forked.
Re:Firefox fades in popularity by wmli on Tuesday March 02, 2010 @10:20AM (#1161553)
For example, possibly, tracking each unique install: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Chrome/thread?tid=5d2b...
Re:Firefox fades in popularity by berntb on Tuesday March 02, 2010 @09:00AM (#1161352)
I will get scared of Google when I see a Microsoft style "strategy tax" -- e.g. when it gets hard to use GMail from non-Google web browsers.
Re:Firefox fades in popularity by loup-vaillant on Tuesday March 02, 2010 @10:11AM (#1161529)
What about being scared of Google doing semantic analysis of your e-mail? Or Google remembering your search results during several months? Google doesn't tax your money, but it does tax your privacy. To me that sounds just as expensive.
Re:Firefox fades in popularity by rue on Tuesday March 02, 2010 @10:35AM (#1161596)
Privacy taxation without representation :)
Re:Firefox fades in popularity by berntb on Tuesday March 02, 2010 @10:41AM (#1161613)
Sigh, any free email provider might do similar things (now or in the future). If that is critical, admin your own email on an OpenBSD server, or something.

But even hints of that type of behavior would be bad for business; Google is much more sensitive than e.g. Microsoft with Hotmail (sadly, it is easier to replace a search engine than Windows).

It is arguably good business for Google to not be evil.

Re:Firefox fades in popularity by gnosis on Wednesday March 03, 2010 @06:07AM (#1163852)
Actually, it's not really enough to simply admin one's own mail server. Virtually all email is sent plain text, so the owners of any of the hops the email goes through (on the TCP/IP level) on the way to the mail server could relatively easily read your email.

Of course, it's even easier to read someone else's email if you own/run their mail server. But the bar is not that much higher if you're and ISP, a colo, or any of the probably dozens of hops your email goes through before it gets delivered.

If you really want privacy, you should use encryption. The even more paranoid should use encryption and mixmaster remailers. And the ultimately paranoid should use encryption, steganography, and some carefully chosen channels for transmission.

Re:Firefox fades in popularity by loup-vaillant on Tuesday March 02, 2010 @11:42AM (#1161792)
I do, in fact think this is critical.[1] And I do administer my own mail server (on a virtual server, until I buy a plug computer). I actually think everyone (including my mom) should be able to do the same.

The "type of behaviour" I was speaking of are actual. Google do analyse your email, and they do remember your search requests. this is not outright spying like with Facebook, but this is close.

[1]: http://www.softwarefreedom.org/news/2010/feb/01/freedom-clou...

Re:Firefox fades in popularity by berntb on Wednesday March 03, 2010 @04:50AM (#1163786)
Yes, Google analyze the email for ad purposes. I thought we were talking about much worse behaviors (e.g. looking for business insider information or things usable for blackmail).
Re:Firefox fades in popularity by loup-vaillant on Wednesday March 03, 2010 @05:40PM (#1165431)
About that, I recall a (French) celebrity whose e-mail where leaked because a Paparazzi bribed an employee of the company which hosted his web-mail. So, even this worst-case scenario can happen (though I suspect they are a bit more careful at Google).

This is more about the many tiny dangers than about the few big ones, however. I don't really know all these dangers, and they add up. In the end, this tends to be a matter of principle: "If I'm not doing anything wrong, then you have nothing to see". I just feel safer that way.

Re:Firefox fades in popularity by berntb on Thursday March 04, 2010 @04:22AM (#1166511)
No argument. For an example, the email of Chinese dissidents where accessed at the Google break in.

OTOH... certainly, a web email account isn't that safe -- but are you better than Google's security people? I haven't been a sysadmin for over a decade.

Re:Firefox fades in popularity by loup-vaillant on Friday March 05, 2010 @03:12AM (#1169034)
No, I'm not. However, if my server is compromised, I alone will be affected. When Google's servers are, many more people are affected. That makes Google an attractive target.