Re:Type III Societies (Apparently) Do Not Exist
by zamalek on Friday April 29, 2016 @07:07AM
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Overall I think the main agreement here is that humanity is far too ignorant to even posit how a type III would operate - never mind figure out how to detect them.
Re:Type III Societies (Apparently) Do Not Exist
by DennisP on Friday April 29, 2016 @10:03AM
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Stars use different fuel than reactors. To fuse simple hydrogen, four nuclei have to collide at once. This is so unlikely that it requires a very large mass of fuel to sustain a reaction: at least the size of the Earth, according to one article I saw.
It's entirely possible to burn deuterium in small reactors but there's only about 1/2500 as much deuterium as hydrogen.
(Perhaps some unthinkably advanced civilization could figure out how to get energy from hydrogen fusion in a small reactor, but you did specify "our current understanding of physics.")
Re:Type III Societies (Apparently) Do Not Exist
by Retric on Friday April 29, 2016 @10:15AM
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That's not accurate, stars have several fuel cycles for pure hydrogen. At 1.3 solar masses you sun mostly get: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNO_cycle
As to size, on galactic scales all our current fusion designs are tiny. Scale it up to even just 20 miles on a side and proton proton fusion is doable. For a type III civilization capable of destroying starts that's also tiny. Remember your suggesting dysons spheres as the 'reasonable' option.
PS: The proton proton chain also produces deuterium as an intermediary. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton%E2%80%93proton_chain_re...
Also, a civilization could have dimantled Andromida Galaxy 2 million years ago and can't tell yet. For more distant objects the gap gets rather wide.