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Re:Type III Societies (Apparently) Do Not Exist by zamalek on Friday April 29, 2016 @06:40AM (#11594825)
> Another is that they would need that much energy.

Even if they needed that much energy, the best way to do that [that we know of] is to build a Dyson sphere. With every star shrouded by a Dyson sphere you no longer need to shroud the galaxy.

A more critical assumption is that a type III civilization even cares about masking its presence. If they were even worried about being attacked, the speed of light would mask their progress for a great deal of time and, because of the distances involved, even seeing them once the light reaches you would be a massive accomplishment - most likely you'd have to search for individual stars in another galaxy which are disappearing in unusual ways.

A type II civilization could possibly build a telescope with a large enough aperture but I assume that type II civilizations would be long past their ignorant warring ways.

Re:Type III Societies (Apparently) Do Not Exist by Retric on Friday April 29, 2016 @06:56AM (#11594881)
Dyson's spheres have low long term fuel efficiency. They are better off destroying the stars and burning their fuel in fusion reactors. At least with our current understanding of physics.

Also, a civilization could have dimantled Andromida Galaxy 2 million years ago and can't tell yet. For more distant objects the gap gets rather wide.

Re:Type III Societies (Apparently) Do Not Exist by zamalek on Friday April 29, 2016 @07:07AM (#11594923)
Overall I think the main agreement here is that humanity is far too ignorant to even posit how a type III would operate - never mind figure out how to detect them.
Re:Type III Societies (Apparently) Do Not Exist by DennisP on Friday April 29, 2016 @10:03AM (#11595754)
Stars use different fuel than reactors. To fuse simple hydrogen, four nuclei have to collide at once. This is so unlikely that it requires a very large mass of fuel to sustain a reaction: at least the size of the Earth, according to one article I saw.

It's entirely possible to burn deuterium in small reactors but there's only about 1/2500 as much deuterium as hydrogen.

(Perhaps some unthinkably advanced civilization could figure out how to get energy from hydrogen fusion in a small reactor, but you did specify "our current understanding of physics.")

Re:Type III Societies (Apparently) Do Not Exist by Retric on Friday April 29, 2016 @10:15AM (#11595831)
That's not accurate, stars have several fuel cycles for pure hydrogen. At 1.3 solar masses you sun mostly get: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNO_cycle

As to size, on galactic scales all our current fusion designs are tiny. Scale it up to even just 20 miles on a side and proton proton fusion is doable. For a type III civilization capable of destroying starts that's also tiny. Remember your suggesting dysons spheres as the 'reasonable' option.

PS: The proton proton chain also produces deuterium as an intermediary. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton%E2%80%93proton_chain_re...