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Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by skywhopper on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @05:42PM (#11575931)
It probably doesn't help that the subsidy model has completely changed. But personally, I think iPhone performance has hit a point where one doesn't really feel the need to upgrade right away. I was so ready to upgrade when the contract on my 4 expired. It was really a pain to use after a couple of years. But my 5S has now lasted me two and a half years and other than wishing I had more storage capacity, there's really nothing compelling in the new models for me to want to upgrade. The build quality and battery are so good that I don't feel like it's even getting worn out. The better cameras would be nice, but otherwise? I just can't justify the cost, much as I'd like to, so long as my 5S keeps performing.

I do think Apple needs to focus their money and efforts on improving their services and software integration. There's a lot to like in Apple services, but there's a lot of rough edges and weird gaps, and too often I feel like apps get written and then abandoned. If you bundle an app, it should have a dedicated team that keeps making it better, faster, easier to use all the time.

I also feel like Apple has a real chance to make a mark on the home automation market if they chose to do so. The best stuff out there is still pretty bad, and pretty much all of it spies on you. Based on how they've been adding context-aware features to iPhone in a very privacy-conscious way, Apple is the one company I would still trust to actually try to do home automation in a way that respects my privacy. And they have the money to invest in making it happen. But while I'm sure their hardware would be well-made, can they raise their software polish to the same level?

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by yoodenvranx on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @05:56PM (#11576053)
> I think iPhone performance has hit a point where one doesn't really feel the need to upgrade right away

I have a cheap 2014 Motorola Moto G and I have the same "problem". Yes, there are hundreds of modern phones out there which are several times faster and have way better hardware but the Moto G is fast enough for me.

I usually just browse the web, type a few messages in Whatsapp, take a few pictures, ... and the phone does all of this well enough so that I just don't have any reason to invest 500+ Euro in a new phone.

Another bonus is that if I accidentally drop my phone I can just buy a new one (or two) and it will still be cheaper than an iPhone or other similar phones.

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by _delirium on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @08:03PM (#11576821)
You might not even get a perceptual performance boost at all. I recently upgraded from a 2013 Moto G to a current-gen Nexus 5x and it feels about the same, maybe even slightly slower, in terms of latency for common tasks and how often it gets bogged down. I think part of the problem is that the new phone has a higher-res screen, which some apps (like Facebook) adapt to by shipping much larger icon sets, loading higher-res images and video, etc., which negates any performance improvements. The camera is definitely nicer, though.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by dingo_bat on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @09:10PM (#11577120)
I think that's a problem with the 5x though. I moved to an S7 edge recently and it is quite frankly so fast that I'm unable to use my old Moto G due to the excruciating slowness of the UI.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by barrkel on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @02:34AM (#11578260)
The 5X is slower in single thread code than the Nexus 5 from 2013. It has 6 rather than 4 cores but not many apps can take advantage.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by gjvc on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @02:44AM (#11578295)
Nexus 5 is one of the all-time greats of the smartphone era.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by auggierose on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @06:07AM (#11579078)
Yep. I got one too, and see no need to upgrade anytime soon.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by lintiness on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @10:55AM (#11580933)
i have a nexus 5: it has serious issues with wifi and network toggling, and it's camera is total shit.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by secfirstmd on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @11:29PM (#11577656)
Dam, I was just about to do the exact same thing...

Hmm, now i'm kind of out of options. As after Samsung Galaxy note experience, I said I'd never buy Samsung again.

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by semi-extrinsic on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @12:39AM (#11577859)
Typing this on a 3rd gen Moto G, it's also stock Android, cheap, fast and the "right" size. As in, big display, but I can still (just) hold it and type with one hand.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by vetinari on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @08:37AM (#11579804)
Moto G still doesn't support 5 GHz wifi bands, though. Can be a bummer sometimes.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by secfirstmd on Thursday April 28, 2016 @01:04AM (#11586645)
Had one for quite awhile, and while I like the size, I find it very slow :(
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by nightski on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @06:00PM (#11576074)
Agreed, this is the exact reason I went with a Moto G. It was under $200 and I tend to be very clumsy. It runs the latest nearly stock Andriod and is a very smooth experience. The only fault I can find is it's camera. So for someone who finds that very important this may not be an option.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by rosege on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @08:12PM (#11576894)
I had one - great phone for the price but I found the 1GB mem to be a real limitation - websites would reload if I switched to a dif app then back. I now have an Asus with 4GB - great phone too and also relatively cheap (about a yr old now)
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by bluefinity on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @01:25AM (#11578002)
The 16GB version of the current generation has 2GB memory. I got the 8GB (with 1GB memory) originally and ended up selling it and buying the higher-spec version. 2GB is just a much better experience under Android.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by yoodenvranx on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @01:54AM (#11578097)
There is also a version with 16 gb storage and 1 gb RAM.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by kibwen on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @07:16PM (#11576547)
Fellow Moto G user, and I completely agree with this sentiment (along with the camera being meh). Remarkably the battery has held up very well with two years of use, part of me wonders if that's due to performance improvements in Android offsetting the natural wear (though every update seems to make the stock apps slower, with Maps being a particularly noticeable example).
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by erics32 on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @06:18PM (#11576207)
I'm in the same boat and bought a Moto G, but one major issue is the lack of gyroscope for google cardboard/vr use.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by kuschku on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @07:34PM (#11576642)
Buy the Moto G 2014 – that has a gyroscope, and can be used with Google Cardboard. The 2015 and 2013 version don’t, though.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by RivieraKid on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @07:31PM (#11576631)
Yeah, I had a 1st gen Moto G, I think it had comparable value to expensive high-end phones (for people who're not int big screens).

Now I have Nexus 5X, it costs less than half as much as top phones but I think it's actually better, at least for me - clean Android with timely updates, everything is smooth and fast, USB-C, good camera...

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by freehunter on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @12:07PM (#11581685)
I just upgraded to an iPhone 6s and now I have the opposite problem: the hardware is too fast, so fast that it replaced an ages-old pattern ingrained in my usage. I used to be able to tap the home button to turn on the screen, so I didn't have to go to the top of the phone for the power button. I could click the home button and move my finger before TouchID had a chance to notice. Now TouchID is so fast, it's unlocked the phone before the screen even turns on.

It sounds like a minor complaint and I guess it is, but when I'm fumbling around in the dark and I want my flashlight, or when I'm trying to quickly take a picture, I don't want my phone to be unlocked. I just want my damn flashlight or camera, which are easier to access if the phone is locked.

I'm actually considering going back to the 6 instead of the 6s just because I like that little delay in recognizing my fingerprint.

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by Vendan on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @02:06AM (#11578148)
heh, I've got a really cheap android phone ($30~40 flat out, no contract, no plan). It doesn't have great specs, but after rooting it and installing a clean Cyanogen install on it, it feels faster then many $600 phones. I wish phones would stop coming with so much bloatware installed.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by Balero on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @05:14AM (#11578832)
I actually did this with my Moto just the other day. But they've stopped making the model I had!
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by shawkinaw on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @07:51PM (#11576752)
Can anyone shed some light on why the subsidy model is going/has gone away? It seems to me cell providers would not want to stop essentially requiring 2-year contracts, so why have they? Fear of government action, or market competition? Or was the subsidy model actually bad for the networks somehow?
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by majormajor on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @09:56PM (#11577299)
Someone had to blink, especially as basic Android phones got better and cheaper.

Pre-iPhone, most contracts were one-year, and typical expensive phones cost $3-400 unlocked. Post-iPhone, phone costs go up, so contracts get longer, but now the carriers are in a position where they're treating expensive iPhones the same as the same as less-expensive base-model Androids. Sure, they can make a killing on the less-expensive phones in that model - since the subsidy amount is greater than the cost of the phone - but it gave T-Mobile incentive to ditch the model and pass on some of the savings to budget-conscious consumers.

And ultimately, that's not such a bad thing for the carriers, but it is a bad thing if almost all the phones you sell are on the "more expensive" side, since you're now competing more directly on price.

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by godzillabrennus on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @09:18PM (#11577157)
I speculate that it's a couple of things. First, carriers are putting out big capital outlays to the phone manufacturers to get customers on new phones either under a contract with a subsidy or a payment plan.

Second, the carriers are smart enough to realize that even with relatively old phones data usage is still pretty high. The carriers now make their money on metered data so they want to avoid the capital outlay required to subsidize a phone if they don't need to for customers to stay data hogs. T-Mobile provided a real world experiment that likely found attrition to be low enough even with contracts gone that it was worth removing the subsidy.

Tl;dr The carriers are cheap and don't want to lend you money for a new phone when you still pay them a lot to use your old one.

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by brianwawok on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @08:45PM (#11577018)
T-Mobile changed so others had to to keep up. Basically most cell phone contract innovation in the last 5 years has been through T-Mobile.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by s3bast0m on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @05:18AM (#11578849)
You do realize that US and T-Mobile was one of the last holdouts with this "bundled"system and in Europe we had this "new" system in place for at least 5 years.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by brianwawok on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @01:24PM (#11582468)
I don't think it matters to a US consumer what Europe did first.

US had a crappy system. TMobile innovated. Even if that innovation was to copy a system from another country, to our market it was an innovation.

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by Drakim on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @06:52AM (#11579280)
"Innovation" isn't the word I would use here, it was simply that the US caught up to the rest of the western world.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by brianwawok on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @01:24PM (#11582477)
Why not? Before T-Mobile did this, could an American sign up for say a French phone plan and use it from their house in Flordia?

I could update my statement to say

"Most innovation in the AMERICAN cell phone market has been through T-Mobile"

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by houselouse on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @08:54PM (#11577048)
I'd love to know why these went away too -- not that I liked them, but they seemed well suited to the ignorance level of most people that I know. Even though they've been replaced with ATT Next/Verizon Edge/... plans that are appealing to technophiles, as well as easy 3rd-party financing (just not through the provider), I'd like to know the "illuminati" reason that the market shifted.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by jeevand on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @10:41PM (#11577503)
Carriers want diversity so that they can do better bargaining with the phone makers. ex: My HTC M7 phone came with lots of preloaded shitty apps made by AT&T which i can't delete, Apple will not allow AT&T to twist their arm like that. Similarly they want diversity in the chip makers as well. If the phones are subsidised most people will go with iPhone.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by abhi3 on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @06:31PM (#11576301)
Apples service revenues are still growing 20% YoY.

Apple can and does generate a steady stream of revenue from existing devices. App Store revenue increased 35 percent year-over-year, and iCloud is also continuing to grow. Apple pay is adding 1 million new users per week. and they just announced the Apple Music has 13 million subscribers.

Apple's services unit is now the company's second largest category during the recent quarter, ahead of Mac and iPad sales

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by simonh on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @05:52PM (#11576014)
The only iDevice that's not still in use in my family is my first, an iPhone 3G. My youngest has my 3GS. The 4 is with my father in law, etc. My first iPad, a v2, is with my sister in law in China, she uses it to Skype to us. These things just keep on going.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by balls187 on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @05:51PM (#11576005)
The quality of the camera keeps me upgrading every chance I can.

Also the touch-id capabilities are significantly improved.

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by wvenable on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @05:56PM (#11576048)
I have an iPhone 5 (not S) and the performance is starting to get on the frustrating side. But it's only now getting to the point where that is an issue.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by JoBrad on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @06:50PM (#11576407)
Maybe you should wipe it? I have a 5 that I bought the year the 5s came out, and it works great, still
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by wvenable on Tuesday April 26, 2016 @10:57PM (#11577563)
I always do the OS installs through iTunes so it pretty much gets wiped every time.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by lgieron on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @07:56AM (#11579551)
Maybe that's the issue - I don't do OS updates on iOS devices, so my 5s is still on iOS 7.1 - and it's still blazing fast after 18 months of use. My suspicion is that the iOSes getting slower with every release is a planned obsolescence strategy.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by simonh on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @09:22AM (#11580143)
I don't buy it. Each revision of the OS adds functionality and expands the code base, that's plenty enough to explain the issue. Long term, progressively bogging down the OS deliberately will just make it look unnecessarily slower compared to Android. That's a much bigger risk than any possible effect getting people to upgrade.

Also there are ways to disable some of the newer features and reclaim some responsiveness, such as General->Accessibility->Reduce Motion.

Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by lgieron on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @12:25PM (#11581866)
I was thinking it may not be an official agenda ("plans for Q4: let's make iOS 10% slower"), but instead, the higher ups don't actively fight the general performance athrophy.
Re:iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs by Illniyar on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @02:50AM (#11578325)
Thats easy to fix - next iOS release your phone is gonna get slower and slower. :)