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Re:Amateur ISIS Investigator Ends Up in Prison by tptacek on Sunday April 24, 2016 @11:28AM (#11559957)
NY and CA state-run mental hospitals are deeply unpleasant and staffed with overworked, underqualified doctors who have caseloads consisting of the very most difficult patients in numbers that would overwhelm private-practice doctors even if they were just teenagers with mild eating disorders. Is that the case in the Netherlands as well?

(For whatever it's worth: the NYT piece doesn't say Lopez was ever held in solitary, or that he was denied visitation by his family --- but solitary confinement is a distinctive US problem and a legit contrast to draw with the Netherlands).

Re:Amateur ISIS Investigator Ends Up in Prison by tinco on Sunday April 24, 2016 @03:22PM (#11560956)
A few years ago I would have confidently and naievely answered no to that question. Unfortunately recently a few scandals made it to the national news that Dutch mental institutions are not in the state we'd like to believe they are. As far as I understand the 'average' mental health patient is treated O.K., but there's not enough budget for the really hard cases where one patient basically requires full time supervision. One scandal was that instead of dealing with a patient like this, the staff had just put him in solitary confinement. Another scandal revealed cases of bullying and sexual abuse by staff. The sort you'd expect in a big organization with humans and awkward power relations, I can't say for sure if it's any better than those in the US.
Re:Amateur ISIS Investigator Ends Up in Prison by ryanlol on Sunday April 24, 2016 @11:47AM (#11560035)
> solitary confinement is a distinctive US problem

Not really, it's a problem in Europe too. We just don't talk about it.

If you get arrested here in Finland, you'll by default be in solitary and will remain so until the cops, not the courts, feel like letting you out.

Re:Amateur ISIS Investigator Ends Up in Prison by roywiggins on Sunday April 24, 2016 @05:59PM (#11561557)
Has anyone tried to challenge that sort of thing in the European Court of Human Rights?
Re:Amateur ISIS Investigator Ends Up in Prison by ryanlol on Monday April 25, 2016 @02:40AM (#11562793)
Yes, and Finland for example has consistently lost. The problem is that in practice these court decisions only end up benefiting the individuals bringing the suits, as it's almost impossible for public workers to get fired here they can safely ignore those decisions in most cases.