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Re:Edward Snowden: The Internet Is Broken by djsumdog on Friday April 22, 2016 @05:32PM (#11552690)
I heard about those taps in 2008/2009 I think. Snowden hasn't really given us anything truly new. It's also bizarre how quickly everything he presented was/is accepted as fact immediately without question.

I think it's way more likely Snowden was intentional. He's still working for the Federal government and the leaks are intentional so that the Federal Government could announce to the world that they are spying on all their own citizens...and nothing happen. No real revolution, and no real end to the surveillance.

I mean yea, we have better security practices, more people use encryption, more people are aware about security ... but overall the landscape hasn't changed except in one crucial aspect: people are talking less publicly. People are afraid that what they say is monitored. There has been a chilling effect.

The Snowden narrative needs to be questioned. Since when does an NSA contractor working from home in Hawaii get VPN access to all the government secretes? Like...people actually believe that?

Re:Edward Snowden: The Internet Is Broken by codeulike on Friday April 22, 2016 @06:34PM (#11553013)
The Snowden narrative needs to be questioned.

Oh for goodness sake. Reality is too boring for you? You could engage with the real campaign that EFF and Snowden and others are trying to get going, or you could wander off and make up some other story that protects you from having to do anything.

Since when does an NSA contractor working from home in Hawaii get VPN access to all the government secretes?

Since the NSA got reliant on huge networks that aren't understood by their own management and they needed to hire in techies to keep it running.

Essentially: big organisations have to choose between (a) crippling levels of security that prevent them from getting anything done or (b) getting things done with a small risk of leaks.

(a) is pointless so everything is heading for (b) and thats why every major news story of the last few years and the next few decades is going to be based around leaks.

Re:Edward Snowden: The Internet Is Broken by chillwaves on Friday April 22, 2016 @06:34PM (#11553008)
I have to question how much experience you have dealing with the Fed gov't. There are hundreds of thousands of contractors cleared at the level Snowden was at. It is all very mundane, actually. The government is not composed of superspies, though they do have some. But for day to day operations they do not run a tight ship. It's not unbelievable that Snowden had the access. More unbelievable that he gave up his freedom to let the world know.
Re:Edward Snowden: The Internet Is Broken by kevin_thibedeau on Friday April 22, 2016 @06:19PM (#11552933)
> I heard about those taps in 2008/2009

Back then the excuse was that they were only being used to collect foreign traffic. Snowden revealed their loose interpretation of "foreign" and many more domestic activities happening outside of AT&T NOCs.

Foreigners' rights aren't protected by the constitution. Citizens' are and now we have legal standing to force the government to respect the law which we didn't have before knowing that the panopticon was pointed at us.

Re:Edward Snowden: The Internet Is Broken by walrus01 on Friday April 22, 2016 @06:33PM (#11553006)
It was fairly widely known in the network engineering community in 2003/2004 that the "Echelon" system collected an extensive amount of domestic data for each of the five eyes, using legal dodges where a foreign agency (like GCHQ) would siphon american/canadian data and feed it to the NSA and CSE, and vice versa.

Those who knew how much the system had changed from satellite-intelligence gathering (from the era prior to transatlantic/transpacific submarine fiber, where most phone calls and international data were satellite based), to tapping fiber at submarine cable landing stations and "partnering" with major telcos, were totally unsurprised.

Re:Edward Snowden: The Internet Is Broken by kevin_thibedeau on Friday April 22, 2016 @06:49PM (#11553071)
Echelon was never publicly acknowledged. Carnivore was explained as only targeted at suspected criminals under investigation. Snowden's revelations were the first hard , undeniable facts in the matter showing the true scope of the unconstitutional activity.
Re:Edward Snowden: The Internet Is Broken by nickpsecurity on Friday April 22, 2016 @07:15PM (#11553202)
You're right that they never admittee it directly. Their defense was funny and an indirect admission:

https://fcw.com/articles/1999/06/02/congress-nsa-butt-heads-...

Anyway, it was all over US media from 1999-2001 plus European Parliament with plenty testimony and recommendations. And again, the link encryption recommendation was in US security requirements anyway.

Re:Edward Snowden: The Internet Is Broken by codeulike on Friday April 22, 2016 @06:52PM (#11553091)
Of course people knew it was going on but Snowden has put it beyond deniability and that is very very important. We now have (for example) the CEOs of the biggest tech companies in the world able to talk about this stuff. That could never have happened before Snowden.
Re:Edward Snowden: The Internet Is Broken by nickpsecurity on Friday April 22, 2016 @07:18PM (#11553218)
Yes it was. Evdn mass audience heard with the reporting in Guardian, USA Today, and so on starting in late 90's. Not to mention awareness that Enemy of the State created which NSA considered one of worst events to ever happen haha.
Re:Edward Snowden: The Internet Is Broken by snowwrestler on Friday April 22, 2016 @06:25PM (#11552964)
I hope you're being satirical. This is such a classic formulation of a conspiracy theory that I hope it's intentional. If so, bravo!

If not, then like all conspiracy theories you need to account for everyone who would need to be in on the secret, how they're all keeping the secret, and why--what's in it for them.

Re:Edward Snowden: The Internet Is Broken by themartorana on Friday April 22, 2016 @08:36PM (#11553515)
Just to be clear, a big chunk of what Snowden's leak revealed actualized a bunch of conspiracy theories. Do you see the disturbing irony of dismissing another conspiracy theory so flippantly? I don't believe it's true, but if it turned out to be, I'd hardly be surprised.
Re:Edward Snowden: The Internet Is Broken by snowwrestler on Friday April 22, 2016 @11:21PM (#11554000)
The difference is evidence vs no evidence.
Re:Edward Snowden: The Internet Is Broken by nickpsecurity on Friday April 22, 2016 @07:23PM (#11553238)
I was guessing trolling, conspiracy nut, or underhanded humor.
Re:Edward Snowden: The Internet Is Broken by nickpsecurity on Friday April 22, 2016 @07:22PM (#11553232)
Questioning the narrative is fine. I for one think he's a combo of whistleblower and traitir, hero and coward depending on what leaks and actions we're talking about. Yet, to think NSA or US did it intdntionally is beyond all reason. Snowden set back so many goal posts for US intelligence, LEO's, and industry that it's impossible thaf it was intentional by USG.
Re:Edward Snowden: The Internet Is Broken by _AllisonMobley on Friday April 22, 2016 @07:33PM (#11553291)
One thing is for sure. The CIA could have killed him, could kill him now, if he truly posed a threat to national security. The fact that they don't indicates they don't feel he is a threat. I'm confident that whatever goal posts you claim Snowden set back, I can explain as ultimatley serving US interests. That's the barometer. Has he hurt US Interests? Seems US interests are doing fine to me. Would things be better if he has revealed nothing? Probably not. His revelations are great distractions.
Re:Edward Snowden: The Internet Is Broken by nickpsecurity on Friday April 22, 2016 @07:49PM (#11553354)
No, they can't kill him now. They're not allowed to by one of only players on Earth they try not to push too hard: Putin, head of Superpower No 2. They weigh the risk against the fact that damage is already done and all they'd protect is further image problems. They're countering that seperately.

Re damage. Tens of billions to economy that military-industrial complex worked hard to get. Push-back against police state legislation. NSA ops and methods blown. Large uptake in products that reduce SIGINT. Businesses moving overseas. All with no benefits on the table for intelligence agencies.

Far as distractions, that's the media's job focing on mass shooters, North Korea, ISIS, etc instead of pending legislation and schemes by government.

Re:Edward Snowden: The Internet Is Broken by MikeHolman on Friday April 22, 2016 @09:54PM (#11553741)
They can't kill him now. Assassination would risk public backlash way beyond anything he could say.
Re:Edward Snowden: The Internet Is Broken by partycoder on Friday April 22, 2016 @06:12PM (#11552906)
"Super secret information leak! Oh no, please don't read it" = "Sale! 50% off! We are losing so much money!"