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Re:1M People Use Facebook Over Tor by ikeboy on Friday April 22, 2016 @02:10PM (#11551198)
>You have to create the algorithm to reverse an arbitrary AES-256 key, which is considered to be impossible, so that doesn't really make a difference.

What? Why is brute force impossible to code? I don't understand what you're claiming.

I agree that adding in Moore's law doesn't change the numbers by much. Moore's law plus weakening of cryptographic assumptions might do it, though. Plenty of previously-believed-to-be-strong crypto algorithms have been cracked, it's reasonable to think that we just don't have the tools to create unbreakable codes yet. (E.g. RSA is known to be breakable with quantum computers with Shor's algorithm.)

Re:1M People Use Facebook Over Tor by Guvante on Friday April 22, 2016 @02:51PM (#11551645)
> What? Why is brute force impossible to code? I don't understand what you're claiming.

You claim that a reversible algorithm takes zero time. I said that requires a reversible algorithm that applies to an arbitrary AES-256 key which is currently thought to be impossible.

Brute forcing is not breaking but instead simply enumerating the key space and is subject to the slow downs we are talking about here.

> I agree that adding in Moore's law doesn't change the numbers by much. Moore's law plus weakening of cryptographic assumptions might do it, though. Plenty of previously-believed-to-be-strong crypto algorithms have been cracked, it's reasonable to think that we just don't have the tools to create unbreakable codes yet. (E.g. RSA is known to be breakable with quantum computers with Shor's algorithm.)

But you are missing the point of cryptographic systems, the goal typically isn't to be forever uncrackable, it is to be effectively forever uncrackable which includes upgrading the strength of your cryptography over time.

If we were talking about cracking crypto within 100 years then maybe we could talk about reasonable fear, but all of these things involve timelines that are longer than that (including quantum computer work).

Re:1M People Use Facebook Over Tor by ikeboy on Friday April 22, 2016 @02:56PM (#11551699)
>You claim that a reversible algorithm takes zero time.

No, you misread my comment. Reversible computing can take almost no energy.

Re:1M People Use Facebook Over Tor by MacsHeadroom on Friday April 22, 2016 @02:47PM (#11551591)
Shores algorithm doesn't break anything. It just reduces the key space. Considering the major increase in energy costs and major lag in computational power of quantum computing, shores algorithm won't be a threat to today's crypto for hundreds of years to come.
Re:1M People Use Facebook Over Tor by dchest on Friday April 22, 2016 @03:54PM (#11552142)
It reduces key space for most symmetric algorithms, but completely breaks RSA and ECC making them run in polynomial time.