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Re:Germany to ban anonymous SIM cards[German] by hartpuff on Thursday April 21, 2016 @08:24AM (#11541482)
> One election gone wrong is all it takes and all those data will be used for genocide. Again.

Because first they'll come for the contractless?

Why is it some people are incapable of discussing Germany without tiresomely invoking the Nazis?

Re:Germany to ban anonymous SIM cards[German] by creshal on Thursday April 21, 2016 @08:45AM (#11541622)
> Because first they'll come for the contractless?

No, but census data were extremely useful in organizing the holocaust.

> Why is it some people are incapable of discussing Germany without tiresomely invoking the Nazis?

Because in these cases that's how the political discussion in Germany in the 1980s/2000s went when the above-mentioned measures were discussed. It's simply the benchmark our governments are judged by. The Nazis are not some boogeymen that you use whenever you need a politically correct movie villain, they were the democratically elected government of a first world nation, and should be treated as such.

More generally: Governments should not operate as efficiently as possible. They should be easy to keep in check by the population.

Re:Germany to ban anonymous SIM cards[German] by hartpuff on Thursday April 21, 2016 @11:44AM (#11543001)
This is not about collecting census data, is it?

So, sticking to what it is about, if you think your invoking of the Nazis and the Holocaust was even remotely appropriate in this thread, explain how banning anonymous SIM cards aids a future genocide.

Re:Germany to ban anonymous SIM cards[German] by creshal on Thursday April 21, 2016 @03:12PM (#11544620)
Banning anonymity in any form infringes on your right of expression, as it results in the panopticon effect. The BVerfG put it far more eloquently than I could: https://web.archive.org/web/20101116085553/http://zensus2011...
Re:Germany to ban anonymous SIM cards[German] by hartpuff on Thursday April 21, 2016 @06:20PM (#11545737)
Great. Now explain how banning anonymous SIM cards causes genocide.
Re:Germany to ban anonymous SIM cards[German] by throwanem on Thursday April 21, 2016 @10:44AM (#11542502)
> Why is it some people are incapable of discussing Germany without tiresomely invoking the Nazis?

I know, right? You'd think slaughtering a few million people in half a decade or so was some kind of big deal, or something.

Re:Germany to ban anonymous SIM cards[German] by JoeAltmaier on Thursday April 21, 2016 @10:49AM (#11542543)
To be honest, studies have shown that we're all capable of that. But, no harm no foul, so its all on the Germans at present.
Re:Germany to ban anonymous SIM cards[German] by hartpuff on Thursday April 21, 2016 @11:10AM (#11542725)
What happened to Native Americans was "kind of a big deal" too. So was slavery. Should people therefore bring them up every time there's a completely unrelated discussion about the USA?
Re:Germany to ban anonymous SIM cards[German] by throwanem on Thursday April 21, 2016 @11:25AM (#11542839)
Completely unrelated? A German government legislates the use of technology to make identifying and tracking its citizens easier, and you can't see how people draw the comparison?

As for your invidious attempt to distract from said comparison by slinging mud, I'll just point out that you're severely underplaying your hand here - a goodly fraction of what went into Hitlerism, not least the theory and practice of eugenics, originated with Progressive Era luminaries of the United States. Indeed, our nation might've gone much the same way as yours, were it not for the benefit of Germany's salutary, if horrible, example.

Re:Germany to ban anonymous SIM cards[German] by hartpuff on Thursday April 21, 2016 @11:55AM (#11543093)
> and you can't see how people draw the comparison?

Between collecting data on SIM card ownership and the Holocaust? No, I can't see how any level-headed person can draw such a comparison.

> As for your invidious attempt to distract from said comparison by slinging mud

WTH are you talking about?

Re:Germany to ban anonymous SIM cards[German] by creshal on Thursday April 21, 2016 @11:24AM (#11542825)
In a "completely unrelated" discussion? No. But bringing up past German government failures in a discussion about a German government tightening up blanket surveillance of all their citizens is not "completely unrelated".
Re:Germany to ban anonymous SIM cards[German] by hartpuff on Thursday April 21, 2016 @12:02PM (#11543153)
Let's hear it, then, what's the relationship between banning anonymous SIM cards and genocide.
Re:Germany to ban anonymous SIM cards[German] by creshal on Thursday April 21, 2016 @03:44PM (#11544860)
Being able to map SIM cards to persons + phone location tracking = ?

I'll let you work out the rest yourself.

Re:Germany to ban anonymous SIM cards[German] by hartpuff on Thursday April 21, 2016 @06:24PM (#11545762)
Do I take it from this that you're unable to explain the connection you made between this subject and the Holocaust?
Re:Germany to ban anonymous SIM cards[German] by Lingster on Thursday April 21, 2016 @08:33AM (#11541549)
Why is it some ppl always have to complain about that?
Re:Germany to ban anonymous SIM cards[German] by hartpuff on Thursday April 21, 2016 @11:12AM (#11542741)
Perhaps they hope the people doing it will gather some other point of reference about the country.
Re:Germany to ban anonymous SIM cards[German] by creshal on Thursday April 21, 2016 @11:25AM (#11542835)
Please do tell me what points of reference I need to gather about my own home country.
Re:Germany to ban anonymous SIM cards[German] by hartpuff on Thursday April 21, 2016 @02:11PM (#11544186)
Ones that are actually appropriate to the discussion.