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Re:These dolphins talk to each other. Why do we insist it is... by spatulan on Thursday April 21, 2016 @05:54AM (#11540716)
We might be looking for sentences and words that just aren't there. Dolphins see with sound, so maybe all those clicks and whistles are their way of sketching images for each other.
Re:These dolphins talk to each other. Why do we insist it is... by suvelx on Thursday April 21, 2016 @06:53AM (#11540957)
Perhaps to test this, you could have two sets of identical statues.

Two dolphins need to interact with the matching statues together to get food.

If you followed the 'five monkeys and a ladder with a banana' experiment and found two dolphins who worked it out. Replace one with another. Presumably one will try and teach the other.

With enough dolphins and statues, you might be able to use the similar methods you'd use to break simple cryptography to work out what part of the communication is about the statue.

Or, you'll find out every dolphin talks to every other dolphin differently. And then and then the government bans dolphins out of fear of being unable to intercept dolphin based communications.

Re:These dolphins talk to each other. Why do we insist it is... by jack9 on Friday April 22, 2016 @01:45AM (#11547283)
> Presumably one will try and teach the other.

IIRC this has already been tried and demonstrated to happen. This is the first thing that google came up with, but I'm sure Scientific American has also covered the teaching behavior.

http://www.earthintransition.org/2011/09/dolphins-teach-each...

Re:These dolphins talk to each other. Why do we insist it is... by Hoasi on Thursday April 21, 2016 @06:01AM (#11540757)
True, but it might just be even more interesting to decipher. Imagine you could rebuilt 3D visualisations of dolphin thoughts.
Re:These dolphins talk to each other. Why do we insist it is... by dharma1 on Thursday April 21, 2016 @06:07AM (#11540766)
is there enough data in the clicks and whistles to render an image?
Re:These dolphins talk to each other. Why do we insist it is... by spatulan on Thursday April 21, 2016 @06:22AM (#11540826)
There probably isn't enough data to render a full image, but how many lines do we need to draw to give the impression of a person, or a tree? Surprisingly few. Couldn't the same apply to a sonar image?

It's just an idea. I'm not saying its true, just that its an interesting possibility.

Re:These dolphins talk to each other. Why do we insist it is... by thaumasiotes on Thursday April 21, 2016 @07:44AM (#11541257)
> how many lines do we need to draw to give the impression of a person, or a tree?

Context sensitive, but yes, surprisingly few.

大 is three lines.

木 is four.

Re:These dolphins talk to each other. Why do we insist it is... by inimino on Saturday April 23, 2016 @12:50AM (#11554207)
人 is just two.
Re:These dolphins talk to each other. Why do we insist it is... by thaumasiotes on Saturday April 23, 2016 @06:41AM (#11554988)
I'm aware, but you need special training before you can recognize that as a person. 木 is "wood" in the modern day; does 树 really make you think "that looks like a tree"?
Re:These dolphins talk to each other. Why do we insist it is... by inimino on Saturday April 23, 2016 @08:13AM (#11555227)
So perhaps any visual representation of meaning would require shared context to interpret, and would then inevitably become symbolic rather than directly representational.
Re:These dolphins talk to each other. Why do we insist it is... by thaumasiotes on Sunday April 24, 2016 @01:12AM (#11558634)
I don't understand what you're trying to say here, but e.g. Michelangelo's David is widely recognized as representing a person, and no shared context is required for that.