Re:All Male Panelist talks about Gender Equality & Inclusion...
by randomname2 on Thursday April 21, 2016 @03:21AM
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Paypal is actually very good on diversity/LGBT/gender issues.
The implication of the headline is that the event, the panelists, or Paypal are sexist -- which is obviously untrue.
I don't believe inflammatory "culture war"-related content like this (where the main purpose is virtue signalling, generating outrage, and mean-spiritedly making fun of companies), belongs on the frontpage, so personally I flagged this submission.
Re:All Male Panelist talks about Gender Equality & Inclusion...
by Michie on Thursday April 21, 2016 @06:04AM
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@randomname2, my title is not implying that Paypal is sexist, rather I find it amusing how one can organize a discussion that doesn't include a side from the other gender to represent that gender if the topic is Gender Equality and Inclusion in the workplace. Therefore, it is the organizers in Paypal and not Paypal at all.
Unless, the intention for this talk is inviting all the women at Paypal to discuss their issues in front of Senior Male Leaders and create an resolution on how to make Paypal more diverse, etc. This discussion make sense why all panelist are male.
Or another scenario that I can see is that they don't have any senior female leaders to represent the women@paypal in this discussion.
Actually, having this kind of discussion shows that Paypal maybe lacking in regards to diversity, gender, etc issues and wants to understand more what the other side needs. Because why would they even discuss it if it is not an issue at all. This shows that Paypal management is listening to their employees by creating a discussion between Senior Management and the employees.
Note: I didn't intend to submit a culture war related content. I submitted this because I find this amusing.
Re:All Male Panelist talks about Gender Equality & Inclusion...
by nperez on Thursday April 21, 2016 @02:38AM
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Unless there was a big conspiracy to make sure that this was an all-male panel, I don't see what the big deal is.
There's something about diversity movements that I still struggle with. I see a commenter on the linked post saying "at least they're not all old white guys". I'm half white. Would that make it half-problematic for me to be a panelist in a discussion like this? Would a transgendered panelist be half-OK? Why are we talking about how OK participation is based on the gender, race, and age of the person participating?
The usual response I get to this sort of question is "Well, it's about including under-represented minorities", but I don't think it's inclusive to exclude the majority. I don't want to be included in something just because I'm half hispanic and I don't want to be excluded just because I'm half white. Both of those things seem unproductive to me.
Re:All Male Panelist talks about Gender Equality & Inclusion...
by Tiquor on Thursday April 21, 2016 @03:48AM
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It very will might be if companies catch flack every time they put something like this together and for some reason or another are not able to meet some Facebook commenter's preferred representation ratios.
Re:All Male Panelist talks about Gender Equality & Inclusion...
by manicdee on Thursday April 21, 2016 @04:43AM
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You make it sound like alternatives are an either/or thing.
Here are other alternatives:
- nobody runs a panel for fear of backlash
- panel entirely of telepathic octopods
- a mixture of men and women biased towards men
- a mixture of men and women biased towards women
The implication of the headline is that the event, the panelists, or Paypal are sexist -- which is obviously untrue.
I don't believe inflammatory "culture war"-related content like this (where the main purpose is virtue signalling, generating outrage, and mean-spiritedly making fun of companies), belongs on the frontpage, so personally I flagged this submission.
Unless, the intention for this talk is inviting all the women at Paypal to discuss their issues in front of Senior Male Leaders and create an resolution on how to make Paypal more diverse, etc. This discussion make sense why all panelist are male.
Or another scenario that I can see is that they don't have any senior female leaders to represent the women@paypal in this discussion.
Actually, having this kind of discussion shows that Paypal maybe lacking in regards to diversity, gender, etc issues and wants to understand more what the other side needs. Because why would they even discuss it if it is not an issue at all. This shows that Paypal management is listening to their employees by creating a discussion between Senior Management and the employees.
Note: I didn't intend to submit a culture war related content. I submitted this because I find this amusing.
https://www.facebook.com/nolwenn.godard/posts/10154708242404...
There's something about diversity movements that I still struggle with. I see a commenter on the linked post saying "at least they're not all old white guys". I'm half white. Would that make it half-problematic for me to be a panelist in a discussion like this? Would a transgendered panelist be half-OK? Why are we talking about how OK participation is based on the gender, race, and age of the person participating?
The usual response I get to this sort of question is "Well, it's about including under-represented minorities", but I don't think it's inclusive to exclude the majority. I don't want to be included in something just because I'm half hispanic and I don't want to be excluded just because I'm half white. Both of those things seem unproductive to me.
The alternative to this panel is not "nothing".
Here are other alternatives:
- nobody runs a panel for fear of backlash - panel entirely of telepathic octopods - a mixture of men and women biased towards men - a mixture of men and women biased towards women
Is it not common sense that a panel about gender equality should include both genders, at least to some extent? Are we really discussing this?
But then again, I guess purple-pinkish background if enough of a female touch, right.