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Re:VW 'Dieselgate' software developed at Audi in 1999: report by lugus35 on Wednesday April 20, 2016 @06:17AM (#11533332)
Please, don't call it 'dieselgate' as it is only a VW group fraud.
Re:VW 'Dieselgate' software developed at Audi in 1999: report by JanezStupar on Wednesday April 20, 2016 @06:23AM (#11533355)
Yes?

> The VW scandal more generally raised awareness over the high levels of pollution being emitted by diesel vehicles built by a wide range of carmakers, including Volvo, Renault, Mercedes, Jeep, Hyundai, Citroen, BMW, Mazda, Fiat, Ford and Peugeot.[22][23] Independent tests carried out by ADAC proved that, under normal driving conditions, diesel vehicles including the Volvo S60, Renault's Espace Energy and the Jeep Renegade, exceeded legal European emission limits for nitrogen oxide (NOx) by more than 10 times.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal#A...

Re:VW 'Dieselgate' software developed at Audi in 1999: report by pgeorgi on Wednesday April 20, 2016 @06:37AM (#11533413)
Emission testing fraud at Mitsubishi (incl cars for Nissan): http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/apr/20/mitsubishi-m...

Kia was also namedropped in the article.

I suppose it's easier to compile a list of manufacturers not involved in messing with the numbers...

Re:VW 'Dieselgate' software developed at Audi in 1999: report by makomk on Wednesday April 20, 2016 @06:51AM (#11533470)
I think that's probably a little misleading. The European emissions limits are based on a specific driving cycle that's known to be kinder than real-world driving. If you use a more realistic test cycle with more aggressive acceleration you're going to get worse efficiency and pollution than the NEDC tests.
Re:VW 'Dieselgate' software developed at Audi in 1999: report by remael on Wednesday April 20, 2016 @07:04AM (#11533516)
Exactly. Those are two different, though related, issues. 1. Cheating on the NEDC tests. 2. Emission limits are not coupled to real driving scenarios. Edit: This is important to distinguish. 1 is illegal, 2 is the law but maybe changed.
Re:VW 'Dieselgate' software developed at Audi in 1999: report by lugus35 on Wednesday April 20, 2016 @07:21AM (#11533573)
Volvo, Renault, Mercedes, Jeep, Hyundai, Citroen, BMW, Mazda, Fiat, Ford and Peugeot have not used fraud to pass the tests. You are citing studies using different test conditions than the official test.
Re:VW 'Dieselgate' software developed at Audi in 1999: report by JanezStupar on Wednesday April 20, 2016 @09:47AM (#11534321)
While you are technically correct (the best kind of correct!) - we as consumers have still been deceived into thinking we are purchasing and driving vehicles that we thought were significantly cleaner than what they really are.

But to say that the manufacturers have no fault in the way the tests are structured is a bit... disingenuous. Don't you think?

Re:VW 'Dieselgate' software developed at Audi in 1999: report by vmarsy on Wednesday April 20, 2016 @12:38PM (#11535641)
That's because no benchmark is perfect. You're also being tricked to buy a "twice faster cpu" on your latest phone because it showed twice better performance on a particular benchmark.

But There's a big difference between the company that make engineering decisions that try to improve the results on the benchmark (because after all that's what consumers get fooled with) and the one that would have a "if (benchmark_in_progress) cheat; "

Re:VW 'Dieselgate' software developed at Audi in 1999: report by vetinari on Wednesday April 20, 2016 @07:18AM (#11533560)
Apples and oranges.

EPA test cycle is different than normal driving conditions. It has been a subject of complaints for a long time, that the paper mileage is divorced from reality (and is especially troubling for corporate owners, when your tax admitted expenses are only up to the paper mileage; everything above it gets taxed).

Re:VW 'Dieselgate' software developed at Audi in 1999: report by octo_t on Wednesday April 20, 2016 @06:36AM (#11533411)
literally just today, there's news that Mitsubishi were doing the same thing - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36089558
Re:VW 'Dieselgate' software developed at Audi in 1999: report by jessriedel on Wednesday April 20, 2016 @07:22AM (#11533577)
"Watergate" didn't apply to every guest of that hotel...
Re:VW 'Dieselgate' software developed at Audi in 1999: report by tychuz on Wednesday April 20, 2016 @06:31AM (#11533384)
What's with random_problem + gate formula? I don't get it.
Re:VW 'Dieselgate' software developed at Audi in 1999: report by lmm on Wednesday April 20, 2016 @06:34AM (#11533394)
The Watergate scandal (named after the hotel where things took place) was such a big thing that the press/public developed a habit of relating subsequent scandals to it by giving them a name ending in -gate.
Re:VW 'Dieselgate' software developed at Audi in 1999: report by pluma on Wednesday April 20, 2016 @07:17AM (#11533556)
Re:VW 'Dieselgate' software developed at Audi in 1999: report by ccozan on Wednesday April 20, 2016 @06:34AM (#11533396)
It's coming from a scandal involving Nixon.

See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_scandal

Re:VW 'Dieselgate' software developed at Audi in 1999: report by andybak on Wednesday April 20, 2016 @06:50AM (#11533460)
Maybe a touch frivolous but definitely pertinent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB9JgxhXW5w
Re:VW 'Dieselgate' software developed at Audi in 1999: report by noja on Wednesday April 20, 2016 @06:33AM (#11533392)
Re:VW 'Dieselgate' software developed at Audi in 1999: report by richmarr on Wednesday April 20, 2016 @06:33AM (#11533391)
Re:VW 'Dieselgate' software developed at Audi in 1999: report by noja on Wednesday April 20, 2016 @06:21AM (#11533349)
No it's not.