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Re:AP: South Korea covered up mass abuse, killings of 'vagra... by nickpsecurity on Tuesday April 19, 2016 @10:29PM (#11531886)
Cambodia had help from U.S. on Khmer Rouge, too. Marcinko, SEAL 6 founder, covers his time training them to fight Khmer Rouge in his book Rogue Warrior. Far as Vietnam, I agree that their resolve was impressive. I just don't recall it going the way you described with instead them splitting up with one side backing communist imperialists and the other capitalist imperialists. They fell for the games plenty enough but resisted a lot, too.

The one with most potential is probably Singapore given what they've accomplished in a short time. They just need a cultural shift to get them out of this conformist, nationalist, factory-worker mentality. They could become a hub of not only trustworthy business in Asia but innovation or quality-focused business too. The reactionaries are doing everything they can to prevent that, though, as it will threaten their power.

Re:AP: South Korea covered up mass abuse, killings of 'vagra... by ooooo00000 on Wednesday April 20, 2016 @12:52AM (#11532338)
The US provided training, enormous air power, and weapons including land mines to the Lon Nol government.

It may be in the realm of conspiracy theory still, but some would contend that the CIA installed the Lon Nol government and helped oust Norodom Sihanouk as king. Sihanouk himself wrote a book called "My War with the CIA" and as I understand it (haven't read it) his position is that this happened in retaliation for Cambodia remaining neutral in the Vietnam war.

I'm not sure to what extent this is true, or whether or not Sihanouk quietly supported the VC, but Cambodia was absolutely devastated by US bombing and it can only be described as evil. As a personal anecdote, I recently met some Cambodian men who subsisted as children by salvaging unexploded American bombs.

Between 1965 and 1973, the U.S. dropped 2.7 million tons of explosives -- more than the Allies dropped in the entirety of World War II -- on Cambodia, whose population was then smaller than New York City's. Estimates of the number of people killed begin in the low hundreds of thousands and range up from there, but the truth is that no one has any idea.

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/02/wha...

Re:AP: South Korea covered up mass abuse, killings of 'vagra... by refurb on Wednesday April 20, 2016 @01:13AM (#11532393)
You're forgetting to add why the US bombed Cambodia. The North Vietnamese were using the border areas with Vietnam as a refuge and a supply route for war materials.

Note that the US didn't bomb Cambodia until quite late in the war. That probably helped the North Vietnamese more than anything.

Re:AP: South Korea covered up mass abuse, killings of 'vagra... by ooooo00000 on Wednesday April 20, 2016 @01:24AM (#11532423)
The bombing happened all over the country. A few weeks ago I was in Kompung Thom (right in the middle of Cambodia) and talked to quite a few people about this. The members of these communities were farmers, not combatants or VC sympathizers, and they didn't even have much awareness of why they were being bombed.
Re:AP: South Korea covered up mass abuse, killings of 'vagra... by ooooo00000 on Wednesday April 20, 2016 @02:18AM (#11532597)
I also have to add that there is no reasonable "why" to excuse bombing largely civilian areas. Undoubtably the VC were crossing over the border -- the Cambodian side of the Vietnam-Cambodia border is ethnically and linguistically a mixture of Khmer and Vietnamese, and that border has been fluid up until recent history -- but still most people there would have been civilians.
Re:AP: South Korea covered up mass abuse, killings of 'vagra... by evgen on Wednesday April 20, 2016 @05:14AM (#11533149)
When military convoys are running through town you no longer live in a "civilian area".
Re:AP: South Korea covered up mass abuse, killings of 'vagra... by ooooo00000 on Wednesday April 20, 2016 @05:32AM (#11533193)
I'll stick with "an area with many civilians" as my definition of a civilian area. These people weren't wealthy, and it's where they happened to own land and build houses. It becomes a choice between being homeless and impoverished, or staying where you are and taking the risk of being bombed.
Re:AP: South Korea covered up mass abuse, killings of 'vagra... by Amezarak on Wednesday April 20, 2016 @07:55AM (#11533694)
If you commit to the idea "I will not bomb civilians", then you offer an enormous advantage to your adversary, who will therefore proceed to make sure civilians are well-distributed in any area of military operation.
Re:AP: South Korea covered up mass abuse, killings of 'vagra... by contingencies on Tuesday April 19, 2016 @11:29PM (#11532065)
Cambodia had help from U.S. on Khmer Rouge, too.

Never heard of this but it no doubt pales in comparison to Vietnam's "remove them with a land army" commitment.

I just don't recall it going the way you described with instead them splitting up with one side backing communist imperialists and the other capitalist imperialists. They fell for the games plenty enough but resisted a lot, too.

Any way you look at it Ho Chi Minh was brilliant military tactician and strategist who drew from both ancient Chinese and modern western military philosophy to lead his people to independence. I'd argue that the use of socialism was probably not as significant (versus other options of wartime economies) as commonly thought. It was useful, however, to get diplomatic support and military hardware from allies such as Russia and China. I don't think it greatly shaped Vietnam, which is now very capitalist, just like China and Singapore, two other nominally 'communist' party-led modern Asian nations.

Re:AP: South Korea covered up mass abuse, killings of 'vagra... by nickpsecurity on Tuesday April 19, 2016 @11:36PM (#11532093)
Not as strong on the history part to know about remove them with land army. However, I agree Ho Chi Minh was brilliant at strategy. Far as our opponents go, I particularly was impressed with whoever realized that Americans would likely pull out if they saw enough messed up stuff on TV. That's one of reasons they started doing stuff near places like churches. It was a brutal strategy but it worked quite to their advantage. They proved America didn't have the guts to keep up a war against Vietnamese. Many couldn't even watch one.
Re:AP: South Korea covered up mass abuse, killings of 'vagra... by refurb on Wednesday April 20, 2016 @01:17AM (#11532401)
A big part of why North Vietnam succeed in winning the war was the ability to send a steady supply of solider into the grinder. Somewhere between 500K and 1M North Vietnamese soldiers died during the war. And that's not even including the war with the French prior.

Not unlike WW2 for the Soviets.

Re:AP: South Korea covered up mass abuse, killings of 'vagra... by vacri on Wednesday April 20, 2016 @03:45AM (#11532863)
Ho Chi Minh kicking out the French significantly accelerated the end of the Colonial Era - all of a sudden, the impossible was proven possible: small impoverished nations could throw out their European overlords. The man is a much under-recognised talent.
Re:AP: South Korea covered up mass abuse, killings of 'vagra... by ooooo00000 on Wednesday April 20, 2016 @01:18AM (#11532406)
> Cambodia had help from U.S. on Khmer Rouge, too.

>> Never heard of this

It's true right up until the Khmer Rouge marched into Phnom Penh. Then US diplomats and officials were evacuated in helicopters, while the city was left for slaughter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Eagle_Pull

Re:AP: South Korea covered up mass abuse, killings of 'vagra... by walrus01 on Wednesday April 20, 2016 @02:08PM (#11536420)
Those who have not yet seen it should watch The Killing Fields.