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Re:Cisco’s Attempt to Dodge Responsibility for Facilitating ... by rm_-rf_slash on Tuesday April 19, 2016 @04:16PM (#11529944)
So it's wrong to abuse, humiliate, and torture someone in the United States but if you do it elsewhere it's ok?

Oh wait...

Re:Cisco’s Attempt to Dodge Responsibility for Facilitating ... by dang on Wednesday April 20, 2016 @02:03AM (#11532539)
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11529845 and marked it off-topic.
Re:Cisco’s Attempt to Dodge Responsibility for Facilitating ... by cloudjacker on Tuesday April 19, 2016 @05:04PM (#11530414)
this case is about selling an internet filter.

It would not be wrong, as in illegal or subject to any civil penalty, if Cisco sold that internet filter to the United States' agencies.

so that highlights the delicious irony in your retort

Re:Cisco’s Attempt to Dodge Responsibility for Facilitating ... by jonathankoren on Tuesday April 19, 2016 @05:14PM (#11530486)
First, they built special hardware to target a specific group that is internationally known to be a frequent target of oppression. So that's going beyond what they normally provide.

Second, if you're selling something to a known person, and you have a good reason to know what they're going to do with it. And let's be clear, Cisco totally knew what they were going to be used for in this case. Then you're an accessory.

Re:Cisco’s Attempt to Dodge Responsibility for Facilitating ... by Swannie on Tuesday April 19, 2016 @11:59PM (#11532169)
| First, they built special hardware to target a specific group

Is that stated as a fact in the case? I didn't find anything that makes that suggestion.

Re:Cisco’s Attempt to Dodge Responsibility for Facilitating ... by jonathankoren on Wednesday April 20, 2016 @02:40AM (#11532655)
The article explicitly says, "Cisco built a special Falun Gong module into the Golden Shield".

Reading the abstract of brief, it looks like "built" is being used to me "specifically sold and configured hardware." So it's not necessarily some special asic, but rather machines configured specifically to target and identify Falun Gong members. Anyway, in the 21st century, the line between hardware and software that runs on dedicated hardware is pretty ill defined.

Re:Cisco’s Attempt to Dodge Responsibility for Facilitating ... by Swannie on Wednesday April 20, 2016 @10:18AM (#11534533)
I'd encourage you to do more than read an article written by a party with a vested interest, and critically read the linked legal submission.

When reading such a court document, remember it is written by a lawyer (or team of laywers) with the intent (explicit or otherwise) of conflating many ideas.

Creative naming of artefacts, systems, roles, organisations, etc. are all employed to paint a picture - the most vivid, influential, negative picture possible - whilst still being technically factually.

Critical reading of the submission, filtering for technical details suggests that yes, there was indeed integration into existing networks (obviously), and existing databases/systems of record, maybe related to Falun Gong, but frankly the majority of the technical data looks like a description of any intercept network - whether for troubleshooting, traffic analysis, or lawful intercept.

Re:Cisco’s Attempt to Dodge Responsibility for Facilitating ... by cloudjacker on Tuesday April 19, 2016 @05:18PM (#11530516)
and they also would not be subject to any civil remedy if they sold such thing to a US agency.

the only thing I responded to.