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Re:“You pay to read research you fund. That’s ludicrous” by AnthonyMouse on Monday April 18, 2016 @06:01PM (#11523458)
> How do you explain the expenses of both traditional publishers and open access ones, and how would you eliminate them?

By not granting any copyright to publicly funded work. That doesn't actually prohibit a publisher from charging readers for access, but it would require them to charge the market price for publication of digital works out of copyright. Then we see if competition can significantly drive down costs.

Which we all know perfectly well that it would.

Re:“You pay to read research you fund. That’s ludicrous” by ikeboy on Monday April 18, 2016 @06:14PM (#11523517)
The result would be that publishers charge for publication, similar to current open access options. It could be that greater usage of open access would bring down the cost, but I'm not sure.

Definitely the number of grants would go down as the cost of publishing starts being factored in, although this may be partly or fully outweighed by the reduction in universities' costs.

Re:“You pay to read research you fund. That’s ludicrous” by AnthonyMouse on Tuesday April 19, 2016 @03:53AM (#11525495)
> Definitely the number of grants would go down as the cost of publishing starts being factored in, although this may be partly or fully outweighed by the reduction in universities' costs.

Universities are paying essentially all of the cost one way or another now, how could it not be fully outweighed? It would be more than fully outweighed because the universities would no longer have to pay the publishers the amount that constitutes the monopoly rent from the copyright.

Meanwhile the public gets free access to the research which increases its utility.

Re:“You pay to read research you fund. That’s ludicrous” by ikeboy on Tuesday April 19, 2016 @07:26AM (#11526186)
1. It's different universities, including ones that don't directly fund research, and so more money in their pocket won't directly lead to more science funding. Also libraries.

2. There are many places to put extra money in a university (add to endowment, expand, etc).

>It would be more than fully outweighed because the universities would no longer have to pay the publishers the amount that constitutes the monopoly rent from the copyright.

Why do you think profit margins would go down? The "rent", to the extent a 30% margin is rent, is from the need to publish in prestigious journals. Copyright just affects how that rent is collected, but it's not clear to me how that would reduce the rent. (It may go down because people become more hesitant to publish due to the increased cost which forces them to lower their price to get more papers. But that wouldn't be such a good thing.)

Re:“You pay to read research you fund. That’s ludicrous” by wizzard0 on Tuesday April 19, 2016 @12:14AM (#11524839)
arXiv charges neither for reading nor for publication. And for-profit publishers have to be profitable to exist, which necessarily incurs costs on authors and readers.
Re:“You pay to read research you fund. That’s ludicrous” by ikeboy on Tuesday April 19, 2016 @07:13AM (#11526132)
Arxiv is not peer reviewed. If you think we should get rid of that, make that argument; but keeping the review model and getting rid of access fees would increase costs elsewhere.

Regarding profit: sure, you could set up a nonprofit to do the same job. You'll end up reducing costs by 20-40%, even assuming you don't have higher costs because of lower scale/lack of experience/etc.

For other essentials like food, I've seen stories about nonprofits that get large groups together and buy in bulk. Co-ops are basically the same idea. Using a non profit to reduce costs has been done.