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Re:College is a waste of time and money for kids by krschultz on Wednesday February 13, 2008 @04:21PM (#115221)
Hes off the mark by a long shot.

Is college right for everyone? No, and on both sides of the equation. A very small group of people are too smart for it, get too constrained by it, etc. There is a much larger group of people who are not smart enough for it, or don't work hard enough to get there. For everyone else, it makes sense. To say that you won't make up the money (and he says 200,000 - 400,000, that is a 50,000 to 100,000 a year college! There are only about dozen that expensive! I'm in one of the top 20 in the country and it would cost me 120,000 for 4 years coming from out of state, if not for a scholarship), is ludicrous. I'm going to work from the age of 25 to the age of 65 unless I do something spectacular and can retire early, which MOST PEOPLE DON'T. So for most people it is 120,000 divided by 40 years, or $3,000 a year more they would have to make in order for it to be worth it, obviously most college grads are better off money wise if they go. And staying in state is even cheaper. His point is kind of ridiculous, just because he didn't like college, doesn't mean that he should recommend against it. I sure feel bad for his kids who will be trying to make it big on their new version of MySpace when all their friends graduate and start making real money.

Re:College is a waste of time and money for kids by rcoder on Wednesday February 13, 2008 @05:17PM (#115267)
$50,000 per year is not actually that high in the grand scheme of things as a total cost to attend a private college, since most undergrads depend heavily on their parents for financial support.

If you subtract a base tuition of $35,000 from that, you're left with $15,000 per year as total living expenses. That's barely over $1200, and has to cover not only rent and food, but textbooks, computers, and other costs of campus life. Even assuming your kid doesn't do much partying, or need access to a car, $15k is hardly a lavish annual budget.

Re:College is a waste of time and money for kids by krschultz on Wednesday February 13, 2008 @06:28PM (#115339)
Yea, but that would assume a base tuition of 35,000, which there is no reason to spend. Go to a state school if the money is an issue, out of state to Penn State, considered one of the more expensive state schools, is 24,000 a year. That leaves 26,000 a year for living expenses. In state is even less. At my school it is 18,000 out of state and 7,000 in state and we're top 25 nationwide in both of my majors. My apartment is one of the nicer ones on campus and it is $700 a month, plus $500 for food and expenses, plus 2,000 for books and supplies, I'm barely up to 35,000 and that is with generous allouances and an expensive apartment. In state you could be doing it for 20,000 a year. The people who claim college is outrageous are far from the ground level. I don't know anyone who couldn't work it out by taking loans and going to a state school, everyone quotes these private schools and their prices but that is a whole different ball game. The reality is that college is not all that expensive in the short term, and it is nothing in the long term.
Re:College is a waste of time and money for kids by rcoder on Wednesday February 13, 2008 @08:27PM (#115418)
Going to a small, private college is also a completely different experience than attending a large state school. The entire pedagogical style is difference: small (<15 students) conference courses and one-on-one meetings with profs are the norm, rather than the exception.

I'm not saying that private schools make sense a strict cost/benefit level; if you read my other posts in this thread, you'll see that I'm nearly as dubious as the author of the original article about the real economic benefits of a four-year degree. I just don't think that $200k is an unusually high total cost for four years of college.

Re:College is a waste of time and money for kids by falsestprophet on Wednesday February 13, 2008 @04:47PM (#115246)
I still have not learned a lot in college, but I leaned enough about the time-value of money to understand your analysis is deeply flawed.
Re:College is a waste of time and money for kids by krschultz on Wednesday February 13, 2008 @06:18PM (#115331)
Of course it is horribly inaccurate but his numbers are pulled out of thin air. If you could find a way to justify skipping college economically, for real people, I'm all ears. In fact money wise, college is one of the best investments you can ever make, there are countless studies to back that up. I really don't see what the big rush to skip college is. Do you really think that starting a company 4 years sooner is that big deal? If so then your business is going to fail because it is dependent on ONE idea rather than the skill of the people involved. A good group of people will find a new idea when need be, the world has plenty of problems to solve. So what are you in a rush to do? Work? You have all your life to do that. I think that the experiance of college when you are 18-22 is a thing you either do or you don't, there is no going back to do it later. On the other hand, you can start a business, travel, learn things, and work for the rest of your life. College is what you make of it, no one forces you to do anything here. I can't imagine being bored, I have about twice as much I would like to do as I have time for, the people who say it is a "waste of time" are ones with no initiative.
Re:College is a waste of time and money for kids by abossy on Wednesday February 13, 2008 @11:08PM (#115523)
Agreed--the finances claim is outrageous.

What people don't understand is that there is SO, SO MUCH MONEY out there!!! You just have to find it!!! There are scholarship, grants, loans, work study, tuition waivers, in all shapes, sizes or flavors. If you really, truly want to go to college, then money should NOT be your impediment.

Re:College is a waste of time and money for kids by Retric on Thursday February 14, 2008 @10:02AM (#115818)
Your assuming everyone get's out in 4 years.

He said 200 - 400k which IMO is not unreasonable at the high end. Tuition @ $44 per student + living expenses @ 15k/year + lost wages @ 21k / year = 80k / year * 5 years = 400k.

IMO the problem is at the low end if you take 3 years to get out of a state school with a free ride you are only talking about (10k living expenses – free room and board + 21k lost wages) * 3 = ~93k.

Re:College is a waste of time and money for kids by icky on Thursday February 14, 2008 @12:48PM (#115944)
Where is this "21k lost wages" figure coming from?

I guarantee you, if I were only forgoing a wage of 21k/year, I'd finish school in a heartbeat!

The problem for a lot of people on this forum might be that they can no longer justify college economically: it won't improve your earnings if you're already making a good living, so it becomes more of a wouldn't-it-be-nice sort of thing, an expensive recreational activity to maybe finish someday after retirement.