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Re:House Passes Bill to Sabotage Net Neutrality by equalarrow on Friday April 15, 2016 @10:40PM (#11509045)
Sure, but the reality is that none of the ISPs are going to lay any new cable. Don't forget, all of the original copper laid was financed by the govt back in the 50's/60's. For fiber, unless there's a real need for an ISP to add more, they're just not going to do it. There is absolutely no incentive.

I am not a believer in big or overbearing govt per se, but I feel like, just like power or water, Internet is a utility and it needs to be regulated - hard. The future depends on it. Imagine you're a startup and between 2p-6p you don't have any or super stoddy internet access. Kinda like Comcast from 5p-11p actually..

Anyway, It's pathetic really; we invented the f-ing internet and other countries completely surpass our speeds and ability to access. My brother teases me all the time because he has gigabit in Japan (in the early 00's, he had 100 Mb).

Step outside the US and you realize our options are a total joke.

(Edits: spelling)

Re:House Passes Bill to Sabotage Net Neutrality by greggman on Saturday April 16, 2016 @03:07PM (#11511831)
The problem with Internet as a utility is that unlike water (and power?) the tech isn't stable for 30-100 years. If you're using the same Internet equipment in 5 years you're hopelessly behind other countries.

Internet as a utility seems like it will quickly be out of date and getting governments to upgrade it will be just as hard as getting them to upgrade anything else.

Re:House Passes Bill to Sabotage Net Neutrality by AnkhMorporkian on Friday April 15, 2016 @11:57PM (#11509224)
The solution, in my humble opinion, is having the government open up that cable. Figure out a way to share it, not keep it a monopoly.
Re:House Passes Bill to Sabotage Net Neutrality by jauco on Saturday April 16, 2016 @02:22AM (#11509541)
We tried that in the netherlands. Our approach did not work out that well. In all cases there's the maintainer of the hardware (cable) and a lot of "providers" on that hardware.

I'm not well informed enough to know why, but in all cases (cable, railroad, powerlines, ether frequencies) the system devolved into a state where the "provider" linked to the hardware maintainer is the dominant player still.

I'm not syaing it can't work, just that over here it didn't really work.

Re:House Passes Bill to Sabotage Net Neutrality by greggman on Saturday April 16, 2016 @03:12PM (#11511849)
It worked amazingly in Japan

Practically overnight (metaphorically) it went from only metered dial up or expensive isdn to ultra fast dsl. There was huge competition mostly lead by SoftBank Japan. The actually handed out routers at subway station exits. Every time their competitors including the old monopoly matched their speed they'd double it. It was awesome to watch

Re:House Passes Bill to Sabotage Net Neutrality by pavedwalden on Saturday April 16, 2016 @04:40AM (#11509854)
Why does one provider get a privileged relationship with the maintainer? I'm surprised that in all those industries there was never a complete division of control.
Re:House Passes Bill to Sabotage Net Neutrality by Nullabillity on Saturday April 16, 2016 @05:25AM (#11509925)
I used to live in a town with a similar system, which worked great. I suppose the difference was that the maintainer (the municipality power company) was never an ISP themselves.
Re:House Passes Bill to Sabotage Net Neutrality by Retric on Saturday April 16, 2016 @11:35AM (#11510944)
That's what anti monopoly laws are for. You can either provide infrastructure, or sell to customers not both.
Re:House Passes Bill to Sabotage Net Neutrality by cesarbs on Saturday April 16, 2016 @03:02AM (#11509620)
I'm kinda bummed to hear that. I have mentioned how it's done in the Netherlands on several occasions. I thought it had worked - sad it didn't.