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Re:Regulators Propose Banning Theranos Founder from Blood Te... by jobu on Wednesday April 13, 2016 @04:42PM (#11492029)
The first part seems probable (sell to the DoD), but intentional fraud is unlikely. Remember Hanlon's Razor - "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence."

It seems more likely they were very close on the science, and decided to run with it while they worked out the last 10%. That works great for most tech companies, but healthcare technology is very different.

Re:Regulators Propose Banning Theranos Founder from Blood Te... by dv_dt on Wednesday April 13, 2016 @05:06PM (#11492212)
A simpler theory might be that once the board picked up a couple of members in certain areas, it expanded along the social network of the board.
Re:Regulators Propose Banning Theranos Founder from Blood Te... by gozur88 on Thursday April 14, 2016 @06:16PM (#11500759)
That's my read on it - the board members probably all know each other, or are friends-of-friends. Just like you and I, corporate board members recommend their friends when positions are open.

It probably doesn't hurt to have people like that on your board when you go looking for funding.

Being on a corporate board has got to be the easiest job in the world. When things are going well you collect a six or seven figure paycheck for doing almost nothing.

Re:Regulators Propose Banning Theranos Founder from Blood Te... by danieltillett on Wednesday April 13, 2016 @08:28PM (#11493475)
Tillett’s Razor - ”Never ascribe to incompetence that which can be explained by corruption”
Re:Regulators Propose Banning Theranos Founder from Blood Te... by specialist on Thursday April 14, 2016 @04:40AM (#11495114)
Specialist's Corollary - "To observers, corruption and incompetence are indistinguishable."
Re:Regulators Propose Banning Theranos Founder from Blood Te... by danieltillett on Thursday April 14, 2016 @06:57PM (#11500922)
Unless you get to see the offshore bank balance.
Re:Regulators Propose Banning Theranos Founder from Blood Te... by AJ007 on Wednesday April 13, 2016 @05:03PM (#11492188)
Has there been any publicized and verifiable facts that they were close to having something that worked?
Re:Regulators Propose Banning Theranos Founder from Blood Te... by danieltillett on Wednesday April 13, 2016 @08:14PM (#11493409)
No. In fact all the independent data suggests that it is impossible with less than 4 drops of blood (~100µl) due to sampling issues. No matter how great the detection technology is if you are not able to get a representative sample then the end result will be garbage.
Re:Regulators Propose Banning Theranos Founder from Blood Te... by codyb on Wednesday April 13, 2016 @09:38PM (#11493747)
If 4 drops is a low bound, couldn't they have aimed for say 10? Can't you draw 10 drops of blood relatively easily from the finger? I feel like I've had that done before when donating blood. It'd still be a much less annoying process than vials after vials like it seems like most blood testing is.

It's hard for me to imagine they wouldn't have said "well, one drop didn't work but we could decently with four but we won't do that."

I haven't followed tremendously the story though.

Re:Regulators Propose Banning Theranos Founder from Blood Te... by danieltillett on Wednesday April 13, 2016 @10:28PM (#11493932)
It is really hard to get more than a single drop out of fingerprick. The reason why is the capillaries close up very quickly - if you are really lucky you can get 2 drops out, but anything more is a struggle.

The second problem with fingerprick blood is you pick up quite a bit of skin tissue in the process, but the amount collected is quite variable. What you end up measuring is blood + some unknown percentage of skin tissue derived material. None of these things are good for reproducibility.

Re:Regulators Propose Banning Theranos Founder from Blood Te... by dnautics on Thursday April 14, 2016 @02:49AM (#11494742)
More like they had a taste of the science and decided to work out the last 90%.. But that's actually the right way to do science generally.... Just not in this case.
Re:Regulators Propose Banning Theranos Founder from Blood Te... by mistermann on Wednesday April 13, 2016 @08:13PM (#11493407)
> intentional fraud is unlikely. Remember Hanlon's Razor

Hanlon's razor isn't proof of anything.

Re:Regulators Propose Banning Theranos Founder from Blood Te... by gradys on Wednesday April 13, 2016 @08:23PM (#11493459)
No, it's more like a prior.
Re:Regulators Propose Banning Theranos Founder from Blood Te... by unclebucknasty on Wednesday April 13, 2016 @09:08PM (#11493638)
Why does Hanlon's Razor exist when it can just as easily be put the other way around?
Re:Regulators Propose Banning Theranos Founder from Blood Te... by pizza on Wednesday April 13, 2016 @09:11PM (#11493643)
P(malice) <= P(competence & intent); P(stupidity) >> P(competence & intent)

That said, Hanlon's razor can't explain away evidence.

Re:Regulators Propose Banning Theranos Founder from Blood Te... by unclebucknasty on Wednesday April 13, 2016 @09:18PM (#11493669)

   if (benefit > 0) {
      P(malice) >> P(stupidity)
   }
Re:Regulators Propose Banning Theranos Founder from Blood Te... by newjersey on Wednesday April 13, 2016 @11:47PM (#11494163)
Yup, when I make a mistake in my income tax filing and over pay by $2k that's incompetence. I wouldn't be so sure about attributing an unreported offshore shell company holding millions of dollars as incompetence.
Re:Regulators Propose Banning Theranos Founder from Blood Te... by yxhuvud on Thursday April 14, 2016 @07:17AM (#11495666)
I agree with your first section, but not the second. A fart can look close to getting to the moon given enough layers of incompetence.
Re:Regulators Propose Banning Theranos Founder from Blood Te... by kchoudhu on Thursday April 14, 2016 @03:19AM (#11494849)
When billions are at stake, sophisticated fraud becomes more likely though. I wouldn't dismiss the theory out of hand.
Re:Regulators Propose Banning Theranos Founder from Blood Te... by colordrops on Thursday April 14, 2016 @04:15AM (#11495033)
Hanlon's razor is used by the malicious to fool the incompetent.