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Re:Post-Mortem for Google Compute Engine’s Global Outage on ... by ceejayoz on Wednesday April 13, 2016 @01:46PM (#11490421)
> Yeah, remember, auto-pilot in a plane needs to be 100% reliable, or everyone dies.

First, they're not anywhere near 100% reliable. They can fail on their own, and they'll also intentionally shut themselves off if the instruments they rely on fail. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_447

Second, an autopilot failure shouldn't lead to death if the pilots are competent and paying attention.

Re:Post-Mortem for Google Compute Engine’s Global Outage on ... by duaneb on Wednesday April 13, 2016 @01:54PM (#11490528)
What does a failed autopilot look like? Would a pilot do any better with an "aerodynamic stall"? I know little about planes and it seems like that'd be a big problem with or without a pilot driving.
Re:Post-Mortem for Google Compute Engine’s Global Outage on ... by ceejayoz on Wednesday April 13, 2016 @02:38PM (#11490975)
All pilots are trained to recover from a stall.

A failed autopilot could look like all sorts of things, from just automatically disconnecting itself (usually with a loud warning alert) to issuing incorrect instructions (which is why the pilots are supposed to be awake and alert while it's engaged, watching the instruments).

Re:Post-Mortem for Google Compute Engine’s Global Outage on ... by neurotech1 on Thursday April 14, 2016 @12:11AM (#11494251)
Actually a key finding in AF447 was that pilots were not trained on how to recognize and recover from a high altitude stall. It is not like flying a Cessna 150. The junior first officer didn't realize the aircraft had stalled.

Pilots were trained on the procedure for recovering from a low altitude stall; 100% or TOGA thrust and power out of it while minimizing altitude loss. Training has now changed for both low altitude and high altitude stall recovery.

Re:Post-Mortem for Google Compute Engine’s Global Outage on ... by ceejayoz on Thursday April 14, 2016 @10:22AM (#11496941)
IIRC, part of the issue was that the two pilots issued contradictory joystick commands, which the plane averaged to zero. Which is a bit terrifying.
Re:Post-Mortem for Google Compute Engine’s Global Outage on ... by neurotech1 on Wednesday April 13, 2016 @11:57PM (#11494197)
AF447 was a PILOT failure, not AUTOPILOT failure. The pilot didn't use proper stall recovery procedures, and put the aircraft into an unrecoverable stall.