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Re:Juno to soft-launch this month as the anti-Uber service by toomuchtodo on Monday April 11, 2016 @04:26PM (#11474814)
This is why government regulation is so important. Most people don't mind others being exploited if its beneficial to them.
Re:Juno to soft-launch this month as the anti-Uber service by strictnein on Monday April 11, 2016 @04:53PM (#11474999)
To me, the exploitation that occurs in this system are the government regulations involved in someone just wanting to be paid to drive me from Point A to Point B.
Re:Juno to soft-launch this month as the anti-Uber service by CapitalistCartr on Monday April 11, 2016 @05:11PM (#11475134)
What you are referring to is "liberty of contract". See Lochner v. New York.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lochner_v._New_York

Re:Juno to soft-launch this month as the anti-Uber service by toomuchtodo on Monday April 11, 2016 @04:57PM (#11475032)
Can you explain to me how you feel exploited by the government protecting someone from being taken advantage of economically? I would genuinely like to understand this.
Re:Juno to soft-launch this month as the anti-Uber service by strictnein on Monday April 11, 2016 @05:06PM (#11475103)
Why does the government have a say on who I pay to drive me someplace and where they can drive me?

Edit: And the exploitation I was referring to was of the taxi drivers under the current system, not myself.

Re:Juno to soft-launch this month as the anti-Uber service by toomuchtodo on Monday April 11, 2016 @05:15PM (#11475170)
Awesome, thanks for clarifying that.

Government regulation exists to protect people. Whether that's labor regulations, fire code, zoning ordinances, etc, its to ensure the health and well being of citizens.

Now, you'll argue that always isn't the case, and I'll agree with you. Incentives with taxi regulation went sideways, hence the medallion system. But that doesn't mean regulation is wrong, that means that apathetic, disinterested stakeholders are the problem. Just as we've made the problem by not caring enough to fix it, we can care enough to work towards fixing it. The number of vehicles for transport in a metro can be regulated using an unbiased algorithm. The wages of drivers can be determined by labor regulations. These are not hard technical problems to solve. They're political problems to be solved.

Should we throw out the medallion system? Yes. Should Uber get to stampede all over transport regulations? No. There should be a middle ground.

People say someone should be able to accept a job no matter what the pay is, as long as they're willing. No one is willing when they're an economic captive. It costs a minimum amount of money (dependent on locale) to have shelter, food, and clothing. This is what government regulation is for (see: minimum wage, employee/contractor classification, etc), to ensure that people can support themselves on the work they can obtain. If they can't support themselves on what a job pays, the job pays too little and the business relying on that undermarket labor rate is unsustainable (see: Walmart educating its workers on relying on social benefits, thereby using the government as a subsidy).

Re:Juno to soft-launch this month as the anti-Uber service by angryasian on Monday April 11, 2016 @04:44PM (#11474933)
I disagree. Theres plenty of alternative services. If all Uber drivers left for lyft and Juno, then Uber would drastically be hurt in terms of drivers available, and users would have to migrate. As long as there is competition, theres no need for regulation in this market.
Re:Juno to soft-launch this month as the anti-Uber service by toomuchtodo on Monday April 11, 2016 @04:48PM (#11474964)
I don't think its wise to rely on market forces to ensure labor protections. It didn't work so well for tech workers several years ago [1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Tech_Employee_Antitrust_L...

Re:Juno to soft-launch this month as the anti-Uber service by rajacombinator on Monday April 11, 2016 @06:57PM (#11475816)
But people are fine with exploitation so long as a group of people we call "government" are the ones doing it. ;)
Re:Juno to soft-launch this month as the anti-Uber service by rayiner on Monday April 11, 2016 @06:25PM (#11475642)
There is more too it. I don't "exercise my purchasing power" because I know whether I ride Uber or something else won't make a lick of difference in the grand scheme of things. But I'd be willing to pay more for drivers to make a little more if everyone else also had to do it so there would be a real impact.
Re:Juno to soft-launch this month as the anti-Uber service by toomuchtodo on Monday April 11, 2016 @09:12PM (#11476500)
Agree. Regulation is the only way to ensure you're dealing with the freeloader issue.