News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:The 1% hide their money offshore, then use it to corrupt ... by retube on Monday April 11, 2016 @11:29AM (#11472152)
I disagree. A lot of people railing against the so called 1% are in fact 1% themselves on a global basis (e.g much of the Guardian readership). They tend to be very keen for people richer than themselves to share their wealth, but despite in fact being richer than most people on earth tend not to be so keen to share their own wealth.
Re:The 1% hide their money offshore, then use it to corrupt ... by noir_lord on Monday April 11, 2016 @11:35AM (#11472216)
Except if you look at the total taxation burden as a percentage the non-super rich already do share more of the burden.

I pay a far higher percentage of my income as tax to the society I live in than the people in the panama papers.

Re:The 1% hide their money offshore, then use it to corrupt ... by retube on Monday April 11, 2016 @12:12PM (#11472563)
> I pay a far higher percentage of my income as tax to the society I live in than the people in the panama papers.

Well you absolutely don't know that. And whilst no doubt some people _are_ avoiding tax, many are not. And btw overall the rich pay a far higher portion of their income in tax than the poor. In the UK for example the top 1% of earners account for 30% of the total tax take (up from 20% 10 years ago). The top 3,000 pay more than the 9m bottom.

Re:The 1% hide their money offshore, then use it to corrupt ... by dsharlet on Monday April 11, 2016 @12:27PM (#11472728)
We absolutely do know that. Even without any aggressive tax avoidance schemes, if you have a significant investment income, you probably pay an effective ~15% tax rate [1] [2]. I can pretty much guarantee you that most of the people named are in this bucket.

If you earn a salary that puts you in the literal 1%, you probably pay an effective tax rate of 30-50%. I don't know how low your income needs to get to reach a 15% tax rate on income, but it's really low.

1. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/opinion/stop-coddling-the-...

2. http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Elections/President/2012/0119/U...

Re:The 1% hide their money offshore, then use it to corrupt ... by pc86 on Monday April 11, 2016 @03:30PM (#11474437)
Since I graduated college my income has increased from ~$28k to over $100k. My effective tax rate has only increased. When I was earning in the mid $30k's it was about 4%. Last year was 12%.

> I don't know how low your income needs to get to reach a 15% tax rate on income, but it's really low.

I was below 15% in the low $70k range for sure. We'll see what it is this year.

Re:The 1% hide their money offshore, then use it to corrupt ... by Malarkey73 on Monday April 11, 2016 @03:29PM (#11474432)
That's wrong. The top 1% pay 30% of income tax. But this is only about a third of UK tax revenues. There is then NI, council taxes, property taxes, business taxes, VAT and duties.

The poorly paid actually spend a much higher % of there income in tax than the top 1%. And their contribution has been rising as the income and wealth based taxes are cut and the consumption based taxes have risen.

I don't blame you for thinking that is the case though as this canard has been pushed heavily by the UK press.

Re:The 1% hide their money offshore, then use it to corrupt ... by TheOtherHobbes on Monday April 11, 2016 @01:00PM (#11473090)
The top 3000 also benefit from a much greater percentage of the assets of the national economy than the millions at the bottom, so that seems entirely fair.

Some people are so rich they don't even appear on the rich lists. I don't know how much tax they pay, but I suspect it isn't much.

Generally, if you can literally fit the people who own most of the economic assets of a country into a small hall, you have a serious democratic deficit.

Re:The 1% hide their money offshore, then use it to corrupt ... by sievebrain on Monday April 11, 2016 @01:24PM (#11473346)
How does that work? What assets are they benefiting from more than others?

If you're in the top 3000 people by income in the UK, you get to ride the same crappy trains as everyone else, drive the same crappy roads (unless you try go everywhere by helicopter - hardly practical), get the same government services, have access to the same markets and the same products in those markets; how many companies produce luxury goods these days? Unless you're an idiot and buy diamond encrusted iPhones, the stuff in your house is going to be similar to other people's. You'll be eating similar meat, drinking the same water. You could collect rare art or something, but that's hardly a meaningful part of the national economy.

The top 3000 get pretty similar benefits from the economy as everyone else, they just pay a lot more in absolute terms for the privilege.

Re:The 1% hide their money offshore, then use it to corrupt ... by gnaritas on Monday April 11, 2016 @03:13PM (#11474310)
> How does that work? What assets are they benefiting from more than others?

Um you're confusing equal access with equal benefit...

> you get to ride the same crappy trains as everyone else, drive the same crappy roads (unless you try go everywhere by helicopter - hardly practical), get the same government services, have access to the same markets and the same products in those markets

Yea, except by being the super rich, you're benefiting far more from all those same crappy assets. Think about a rich person in retail.... their millions/billions depend on the existence of all those crappy roads to bring them customers and products to sell them. When said roads disappear, you both lose access to them, but the rich person loses far more as his access to customers also depends on those roads.

Equal access and equal benefit are vastly different things. The rich benefit more from infrastructure than the poor because their businesses are built upon and depend upon them.

Re:The 1% hide their money offshore, then use it to corrupt ... by mikeash on Monday April 11, 2016 @01:20PM (#11473294)
How much of the total income do the top 1% of earners account for? And when you say 30% of total taxes, is that all taxes or just some subset? In the US, it's extremely common to make such comments which only refer to income taxes, ignoring payroll and sales taxes which are regressive. I don't know if it's similar for UK figures, but it has left me wary.
Re:The 1% hide their money offshore, then use it to corrupt ... by kspaans on Monday April 11, 2016 @02:26PM (#11473923)
UK figures get kind of messed up by NI (National Insurance). It's basically income tax + pension payments + etc. rolled up into one, but billed separately from "income tax". For most people it's around 8-12%.
Re:The 1% hide their money offshore, then use it to corrupt ... by oldmanjay on Monday April 11, 2016 @11:46AM (#11472314)
since people can't be straightforward about the envy driving their political beliefs we have to put up with lazy emotional hand-wringing in place of a manipulate examination. Is it your contention that this lazy hand-wringing should go unchallenged because it aligns with your personal envies?
Re:The 1% hide their money offshore, then use it to corrupt ... by ArkyBeagle on Monday April 11, 2016 @01:04PM (#11473139)
It is not envy to note that monetary velocity is down.
Re:The 1% hide their money offshore, then use it to corrupt ... by noir_lord on Monday April 11, 2016 @12:00PM (#11472436)
Do you still beat your wife?
Re:The 1% hide their money offshore, then use it to corrupt ... by walshemj on Monday April 11, 2016 @02:35PM (#11473989)
And I bet like Tony Benn they also have parents who changed there wills to manage in heritance tax and have ISA's with more in then David Cameron's tiny little offshore holding.

You know when your grown up when you have a discussion with your parents about their wills and inheritance tax.

Re:The 1% hide their money offshore, then use it to corrupt ... by tremon on Monday April 11, 2016 @04:21PM (#11474782)
on a global basis

But that's a meaningless metric. How is it comforting to know that 99% of people in India or Ethiopia have no voice in US (or UK, in this case) politics either?