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Re:NYC subway math by bogomipz on Thursday April 07, 2016 @04:39PM (#11450517)
Nice work Erik! You should send this to straphangers.org: http://www.straphangers.org/

No surprise with the L train as its the only one that is automated(despite having a conductor on board.) They refuse to let it run un-manned which begs the question why did they spend the hundreds of millions of dollars to automate the line? There are plenty of places with unmanned subway lines. There's one in Tokyo and I believe Barcelona and Copenhagen.

I guess its no surprise that their API would be mess as thats about sums up the culture at MTA from what I can tell.

The MTA is spending hundreds of millions of dollar to put arrival clocks in all stations. The problem with is that I want to know how long it is before the next train arrives before I pay for a fare. I have to pay for a fare in order to go onto the platform to find out the next train won't arrive for anther 20 minutes. At this point I have needlessly paid for a fare and generally walk back up stairs and take a taxi.

When they were questioned about this poor decision they responded it was because of terrorism that they couldn't put train arrival times outside the entrance. That makes zero sense.

Re:NYC subway math by tqi on Thursday April 07, 2016 @06:54PM (#11451345)
> The problem with is that I want to know how long it is before the next train arrives before I pay for a fare.

The times displayed on those clocks is available here: http://apps.mta.info/traintime/ or via the official app http://web.mta.info/apps/subwaytimeapp.html

Re:NYC subway math by burntwater on Thursday April 07, 2016 @05:12PM (#11450766)
What station(s) are you using that you can't see the time clocks before entering the turnstiles? I can't think of any, although admittedly I'm not looking that often, as I rarely take a taxi for personal use.
Re:NYC subway math by bogomipz on Friday April 08, 2016 @01:21AM (#11452722)
Any and all of them that would be two levels of stairways - the stairs from the street to the turntsile/kiosk and the second set of stairs from the turnstile/kiosk to the platform. The clocks are only on visible once you are standing on the platform.

Unless you are on the rare above ground station this is the general layout.

Re:NYC subway math by qadevleadgrunt on Thursday April 07, 2016 @11:43PM (#11452441)
I live on the L a bit out (post Montrose), and there's no way to see the schedule prior to swiping your MetroCard at my station
Re:NYC subway math by ceras on Friday April 08, 2016 @11:19PM (#11459728)
3rd ave in Manhattan for one.
Re:NYC subway math by tedmiston on Thursday April 07, 2016 @04:58PM (#11450666)
> The problem with is that I want to know how long it is before the next train arrives before I pay for a fare. I have to pay for a fare in order to go onto the platform to find out the next train won't arrive for anther 20 minutes.

Not to sidestep your question, but do you live in NYC and not use the unlimited pass? I'd assumed everyone did.

Re:NYC subway math by odaymansour on Thursday April 07, 2016 @05:01PM (#11450681)
My colleagues who live close to work do not own an unlimited card. You've also got people who commute mainly by bike or scooter and only use the subway due to weather conditions or when going out after work/on weekends.
Re:NYC subway math by yincrash on Thursday April 07, 2016 @05:58PM (#11451030)
They had planned to run it unmanned, and did run it unmanned for a small period of time. People felt unsafe, so they re-manned it.
Re:NYC subway math by bogomipz on Friday April 08, 2016 @01:33AM (#11452748)
Yeah? Please provide a citation? Was there an MTA survey that went out to the ridership of the L train? Did ridership experience a decline because it was an automated line? I'm pretty sure that none of that happened.
Re:NYC subway math by yincrash on Friday April 08, 2016 @05:49PM (#11458343)
Sorry, it was _just_ the removal of the conductor (the one in the middle of the train that opens and closes the door. That was enough to scare people. They did it in 2005 and tried again in 2009.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/20/nyregion/on-l-train-driver...

http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/conductorless-train...

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2009/02/subway_riders_s...

The plan was to take out even the operator, but unions kept the train operator in. http://www.nytimes.com/learning/teachers/featured_articles/2...

Re:NYC subway math by CPLX on Thursday April 07, 2016 @07:15PM (#11451456)
Do you live in NYC but don't buy an unlimited card? I feel like that's an unusual use case.
Re:NYC subway math by bogomipz on Friday April 08, 2016 @01:01AM (#11452658)
Because everyone that lives in New York should be buying an unlimited card regardless?

How about retired people or people on a fixed income that are not work commuters?

How about someone that works in their neighborhood but still needs to use mass transit occasionally?

How about students that largely don't leave their campus tether but still need to use mass transit albeit less frequently than a commuting professional?

How about someone who bikes as their primary means of transit but still needs to use mass transit infrequently?

Its not really unusual at all is it?

So if you can't afford or don't need to purchase an unlimited subway that's your problem?

Re:NYC subway math by 0x09 on Thursday April 07, 2016 @07:50PM (#11451614)
It's cheaper not to if you take less than 14 rides a week, which is not unusual at all in places like the East Village.
Re:NYC subway math by cmurf on Friday April 08, 2016 @03:16PM (#11457111)
EasyPay Xpress MetroCard is what I used living in NYC for years; I still use it when I go visit actually. I never stop at a kiosk, it always has a balance from the attached credit card. I used full fare card, but you can also do unlimited monthly. Skipping the kiosk is great.
Re:NYC subway math by stepanhruda on Thursday April 07, 2016 @11:26PM (#11452387)
I live in NYC and barely use the subway at all.