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Re:Cleartext: A text editor that only allows the 1,000 most ... by AndrewUnmuted on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @03:54PM (#11441462)
The technique is working quite well for Donald Trump: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/09/15/ho...

> Some of his answers last only a few seconds, some are slightly longer, but almost all consist of simple sentences, grammatically and conceptually, and most of them withhold their most important word or phrase until the very end. Trump’s sentences end with a pop, and he seems to know instinctively where to put the emphasis in each one.

Re:Cleartext: A text editor that only allows the 1,000 most ... by manachar on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @05:56PM (#11442490)
I'm with Orwell on this one. Whether by design or "happy" accident, Trump exemplifies the trend for politicians to be vague. Or as he puts it, speaking like this "is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_and_the_English_Langu...

Re:Cleartext: A text editor that only allows the 1,000 most ... by escherize on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @09:21PM (#11443909)
Is this the syllogism?

    Trump uses political language
    political language makes murder respectable
    ------
    Trump makes murder respectable
Why focus on Trump then? Care to name a politician who's not using political language? That seems to be an oxymoron.

Trump was against the Iraq War, probably the biggest killing event of the last xxx years.

Re:Cleartext: A text editor that only allows the 1,000 most ... by manachar on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @09:50PM (#11444047)
No, this wasn't intended to slyly indicate that "Trump makes murder respectable". Were I to make that bold accusation I'd want to debate that on another forum than HN and base it on things Trump has actually stated.

Regardless of politics, Trump has a very idiosyncratic approach to speaking. His mastery of this approach reminds me strongly of the Orwell essay linked above.

I've no desire to debate Trumps policies on HN, but find his approach to speaking quite interesting.

Re:Cleartext: A text editor that only allows the 1,000 most ... by escherize on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @10:01PM (#11444104)
Thanks for clarifying. I do agree that his speaking style is different and interesting.
Re:Cleartext: A text editor that only allows the 1,000 most ... by SixSigma on Thursday April 07, 2016 @01:30AM (#11444928)
“I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters,” Trump said.

So in a way, yes, he has made murder respectable. The previous two POTUS' made murder respectable by using remote controlled flying bombs.

Re:Cleartext: A text editor that only allows the 1,000 most ... by consum3dbyfire on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @04:03PM (#11441542)
Looks like the creator picked up on that, as well:

https://medium.com/@mortenjust/i-doomed-mankind-with-a-free-...

Re:Cleartext: A text editor that only allows the 1,000 most ... by Semiapies on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @08:29PM (#11443618)
I'd say anyone who says he's made a language/special vocabulary/style guide/editor that "makes it hard to write bullshit" really hasn't picked up on that.
Re:Cleartext: A text editor that only allows the 1,000 most ... by mrrrgn on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @05:32PM (#11442313)
I hope that they normalized the data to account for the number of words spoken during each debate, rally, etc... This is important because of Zipf's law: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zipf%27s_law

If they didn't, the findings are invalid.

Re:Cleartext: A text editor that only allows the 1,000 most ... by sametmax on Thursday April 07, 2016 @11:30AM (#11448026)
It's because he doesn't aim to actually solve problems or provide meaningful answers. Simples words are good if your goal is to be rally a large number of people. But it's not practical if you want to build a car, honestly debate about social issues or describe how un cell works.

What a lot of smart people don't understand though, is that in politics, not trying to solve problems, but trying to appeal to people is the goal. And you don't use the same tools at all for that.

Re:Cleartext: A text editor that only allows the 1,000 most ... by kbenson on Thursday April 07, 2016 @12:09PM (#11448380)
I think it works well for high level overviews. This may be in part because it prevents the use domain knowledge and terminology, which is natural for an expert who might be writing the overview, but hard for a layman to grasp. Put more simply, I think it's useful to describe something generally, but not when trying to describe in detail or specify attributes exactly.
Re:Cleartext: A text editor that only allows the 1,000 most ... by sametmax on Thursday April 07, 2016 @02:02PM (#11449236)
Exactly.
Re:Cleartext: A text editor that only allows the 1,000 most ... by okyup on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @09:45PM (#11444018)
Trump bashing is lame. Trump has used words in his speeches that you probably couldn't define. I heard him casually use PROGNOSTICATION a couple weeks ago. He's not dumb.

It's actually a sign of intelligence to use the simplest language necessary when expressing yourself to a broad audience (many with low education). People who use unnecessarily large words are usually doing it to try to sound smarter than they are and to build up their own egos.

Re:Cleartext: A text editor that only allows the 1,000 most ... by AndrewUnmuted on Thursday April 07, 2016 @10:03AM (#11447309)
My intent is not to bash Trump. I actually think that he's one of the more talented people running for POTUS. This is not to say that I support him or his views (I am voting for Gary Johnson [1]), but I respect his ability to maneuver the media to suit his aims. It is my contention that his strong aptitude with using appropriate/effective language is one of the main reasons he can wield the media around so effortlessly.

[1] https://garyjohnson2016.com/

Re:Cleartext: A text editor that only allows the 1,000 most ... by wernercd on Thursday April 07, 2016 @11:11AM (#11447848)
So... your throwing your vote away? The two party system is deeply flawed, but when has a third party candidate done anything but taken votes away from reasonable candidates?
Re:Cleartext: A text editor that only allows the 1,000 most ... by AndrewUnmuted on Thursday April 07, 2016 @03:33PM (#11449970)
If any third party candidate is going to do this in 2016, it is going to be Donald Trump after he and his supporters walk out of the GOP convention.

I'm an independent that lives in NYC. My vote is always a throw away vote.

Re:Cleartext: A text editor that only allows the 1,000 most ... by relaytheurgency on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @11:19PM (#11444454)
Ah yes, prognostication. Such a rare word that it's only uttered multiple times in one of the most popular Bill Murray movies made which is guaranteed to be on TV at least once a year. Seriously, that's not even nearly one of the best words.
Re:Cleartext: A text editor that only allows the 1,000 most ... by okyup on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @11:46PM (#11444564)
Maybe you should start the Thesaurus Party and run in the next election. I'm sure voters would swiftly capitulate to the erudition of your insuperable sesquipedalian fulminations. None of those pathetic made-for-TV words that Trump has bedizened his 8th grader lexicon with.
Re:Cleartext: A text editor that only allows the 1,000 most ... by rorykoehler on Thursday April 07, 2016 @12:21AM (#11444697)
At what point does a word's existence become invalid? Searching for 'sesquipedalian' brings up pages upon pages of dictionary links on Google. Clearly this word exists only in dictionaries and is so rarely used as to be almost imaginary by those who use it. To put it another way, if it wasn't in the dictionary would it exist at all?
Re:Cleartext: A text editor that only allows the 1,000 most ... by Spivak on Thursday April 07, 2016 @01:10AM (#11444868)
Yes because an English dictionary is a historical record of how English speakers and writers use words and phrases making no judgement as to their 'correctness' or whether an audience of current English speakers would understand you were you to use them.

The purpose of a dictionary is to aid you in understanding the meaning any English speaker or writer is trying to convey independent of the time period or location, not to dictate valid and invalid words. Some words might be dropped from abridged dictionaries when they fall out of popularity but in 'The English Dictionary' (which doesn't really exist but is approximated by dictionaries like Oxford's) words are added but never removed.

This is different, than say, the mission of L'Académie française which is to act as a language regulator and maintain the official vocabulary and grammar of French.

Re:Cleartext: A text editor that only allows the 1,000 most ... by paublyrne on Thursday April 07, 2016 @01:10AM (#11444872)
That's a good point. The makers of dictionaries have always sought catalogue language rather than create it. That's what Samuel Johnson set out to do. Without dictionaries we certainly would have lost a lot of words from our collective knowledge along the way.

Sesquiedalian seems to have been popping up since the 1600s.

http://www.oed.com/view/Entry/176752?redirectedFrom=sesquipe...

Re:Cleartext: A text editor that only allows the 1,000 most ... by Spooky23 on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @10:25PM (#11444225)
It's hardly unique to Trump. Politicians have labored to eloquently say as little as possible since the Assyrians.
Re:Cleartext: A text editor that only allows the 1,000 most ... by thaumasiotes on Thursday April 07, 2016 @02:14PM (#11449329)
Assyrian kings had a lot to say. You could expect to hear about their illustrious ancestors going several generations back, and their many military and domestic accomplishments (like irrigation projects).

Not so much about what they wanted to do in the future. They didn't stand for elections.

Re:Cleartext: A text editor that only allows the 1,000 most ... by gertef on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @04:40PM (#11441907)
Trump does not limit himself to anything like the most common 1000 worrds
Re:Cleartext: A text editor that only allows the 1,000 most ... by phaedryx on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @05:22PM (#11442231)
Re:Cleartext: A text editor that only allows the 1,000 most ... by Munksgaard on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @05:47PM (#11442417)
He has the best words!
Re:Cleartext: A text editor that only allows the 1,000 most ... by frandroid on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @06:11PM (#11442585)
If elected, we'll get so many great words, we'll get bored of words!
Re:Cleartext: A text editor that only allows the 1,000 most ... by lubos on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @07:07PM (#11443068)
Not just great words... terrific words.
Re:Cleartext: A text editor that only allows the 1,000 most ... by Filligree on Thursday April 07, 2016 @07:52AM (#11446490)
Terrifying words.
Re:Cleartext: A text editor that only allows the 1,000 most ... by j_koreth on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @06:52PM (#11442943)
This also ignores also that most Democratic presidents spoke on the same level
Re:Cleartext: A text editor that only allows the 1,000 most ... by m741 on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @08:18PM (#11443551)
The article literally has a chart showing that the current candidates are all speaking at a higher level, and that the remaining candidates, Democrat and Republican, are speaking at 8th 9th, and 10th grade levels. Of the current cohort of candidates only Kasich is near Trump.

If you're talking about presidents (which is unfair, the type of speech you give as president vs candidate, and debates are different), it's clear that although the trend was downward, for the past few presidents the average level was about 8th grade:

http://www.vocativ.com/interactive/usa/us-politics/president...

Trump speaks at a 4th grade level. Probably intentionally.

Re:Cleartext: A text editor that only allows the 1,000 most ... by eru on Friday April 08, 2016 @07:21AM (#11453867)
Has anyone ever calibrated these levels with actual n-th graders?
Re:Cleartext: A text editor that only allows the 1,000 most ... by briandear on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @06:15PM (#11442603)
Probably just the top 25.
Re:Cleartext: A text editor that only allows the 1,000 most ... by matwood on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @04:19PM (#11441698)
Sounds tremendous!
Re:Cleartext: A text editor that only allows the 1,000 most ... by gnaritas on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @07:38PM (#11443288)
He speaks like a child, it works because his base is stupid and they relate. It's not a skill, he just isn't that bright.
Re:Cleartext: A text editor that only allows the 1,000 most ... by jshevek on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @11:43PM (#11444544)
If Trump honestly believed everything that he says, I would agree that his thinking would necessarily be shockingly _shallow_ on many issues.

But to compare him to a four year old then make a sweeping statement like "isn't that bright" ?

How could anyone think this? Isn't it obvious that there are domains in which he is, for better or worse, exceptionally intelligent within that domain?

Re:Cleartext: A text editor that only allows the 1,000 most ... by kbenson on Thursday April 07, 2016 @12:22PM (#11448493)
I think it's interesting to try to identify his domain. I think it's marketing. He is exceptional at marketing, and at generating personal wealth from that. That is different from being a good businessman, or knowing how to run a business (and for his method of wealth generation, may by in opposition to it). I think he's very good a perpetuating his own extreme boom and bust cycles, and coasts along on that. While at the top, he's able to capitalize on the success to extend his brand,
Re:Cleartext: A text editor that only allows the 1,000 most ... by MaysonL on Thursday April 07, 2016 @02:48AM (#11445229)
The trouble is, of course, that those domains (persuasion, intimidation, and braggadocio) do not include those necessary to competently be POTUS.
Re:Cleartext: A text editor that only allows the 1,000 most ... by gnaritas on Thursday April 07, 2016 @11:27AM (#11447993)
I didn't compare him to a 4 year old, that's a strawman. A 15 year old is a child.

> Isn't it obvious that there are domains in which he is, for better or worse, exceptionally intelligent within that domain?

No, it isn't. He's rich because daddy was rich, without that leg up he'd be living in a trailer park slobbering on himself.

Re:Cleartext: A text editor that only allows the 1,000 most ... by recursive on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @09:24PM (#11443923)
Re:Cleartext: A text editor that only allows the 1,000 most ... by escherize on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @09:09PM (#11443847)
Dude, that's not an argument - that's a whole bunch of ad hominems. Could you bring an argument against Trump at least instead of literally smearing him and his supporters? The guy is acknowledged to have won (basically) every republican debate.. would you suggest a child can do that?
Re:Cleartext: A text editor that only allows the 1,000 most ... by gnaritas on Thursday April 07, 2016 @11:28AM (#11448004)
> Dude, that's not an argument - that's a whole bunch of ad hominems.

You don't know what an ad hominem is. Those were called insults, insults are not ad hominems.

> The guy is acknowledged to have won (basically) every republican debate.. would you suggest a child can do that?

Yes actually, a decently intelligent high school child could win against that pack of dim bulbs. Republican debates are a joke won by whichever person throws enough red meat to the crowd and insults the other guy the best; they're an embarrassment to even watch.