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Re:San Francisco Tech Firms See Workers Flee from $4,500 Rents by ghaff on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @04:16PM (#11433981)
Why is extreme population and industry concentration such a great thing? Yes, there are certain virtues to the concentration of talent and energy which happens in major cities generally--but I'm unconvinced that doing some Singapore-style 20-year plan to transform San Francisco into a western Manhattan is either necessary or desirable.
Re:San Francisco Tech Firms See Workers Flee from $4,500 Rents by davidw on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @04:55PM (#11434356)
There's no need for that. Build a little bit up in a lot of places, and you'll start meeting the demand. In a few places, you can build up more, but look at, say, Paris. The density doesn't come from massive skyscrapers, but by being fairly dense all over.

Also: SF's refusal to build is having repercussions elsewhere, like here in Oregon where there is a steady stream of people who can't afford a house for their family in the bay area. In turn, they're pricing out people here, and so on.

Also, there's nothing 'extreme' about the population density of San Francisco. Density in Paris is 21,000/km^2 and in SF, 7,124/km^2

Re:San Francisco Tech Firms See Workers Flee from $4,500 Rents by geebee on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @05:35PM (#11434710)
I agree, in a way, since I really want to see the bay area engage in meaningful construction (along with expanding BART and other types of public transportation).

But if SF's refusal to build is having repercussions in Oregon, and all SF needs to do is build… well, then shouldn't Portland be able to solve its problems by doing the same thing?

Or has NIMBYism morphed into NIMSOTPNW (not in my section of the pacific northwest)?

Re:San Francisco Tech Firms See Workers Flee from $4,500 Rents by davidw on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @05:39PM (#11434737)
It's a countrywide problem. Portland has some serious NIMBY issues of its own. For instance:

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2016/03/charlie...

It'd probably be best if it were fixed in several places at once. For instance, Bend is a town of 80K people, and it could (and should) add a bunch of density. But if all that just goes to soaking up 1000's of "refugees" from California, it's not as effective as it could have been. In other words, California can produce many more people looking for a cheaper, better place than Bend can hope to absorb, so it'd be nice if the Bay Area fixed some of its own mess, as well as Portland, Seattle, Austin, Boulder etc...

Re:San Francisco Tech Firms See Workers Flee from $4,500 Rents by freyr on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @04:53PM (#11434333)
It's not necessarily great. But for a variety of reasons, the momentum has been in SF's favor as the world's dominant technology hub.

We might wonder what will happen this momentum is deflected. Technical talent will disperse, and we'll end up with a more distributed workforce? Or will it simply concentrate somewhere else?

Right now, the Bay Area is in an extremely enviable position: it has a high concentration of extremely profitable companies; it has a high concentration of highly skilled workers; it has a high concentration of wealth; and, except for housing, it's a desirable place to live.

The Bay Area's residents and local governments oshould be able to leverage these positive factors to maintain the strong economy while making the area a better place to live for skilled workers who want to set down roots and raise families. Of course, it's more likely that nothing will happen and living conditions will become less and less sustainable.

Re:San Francisco Tech Firms See Workers Flee from $4,500 Rents by timr on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @05:23PM (#11434623)
"But for a variety of reasons, the momentum has been in SF's favor as the world's dominant technology hub."

I know this is ancient history, but I keep having to remind folks that the fetish for locating tech companies in SF didn't start until the late 1990s. Then it crashed, and didn't pick up again until the mid/late 'aughts.

Viewed dispassionately, the "momentum" of SF as a technology hub looks more like a fad that happens at the peak of VC consumer investment cycles.

Re:San Francisco Tech Firms See Workers Flee from $4,500 Rents by wavefunction on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @05:18PM (#11434565)
Or a thousand seeds will be scattered to bloom in "out of the way places," creating employment and value for towns and cities all over the world.

Of course, that might not be in the Bay Area's interest but they seem to be voting firmly against it already.

Re:San Francisco Tech Firms See Workers Flee from $4,500 Rents by adamnemecek on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @04:24PM (#11434052)
Technological mecca would translate into a technological hegemony, even larger than today.