Being racist against white people isn't countering racism it's just regular racism.

Neither is going so far to the end of the spectrum i.e. "too PC" isn't the opposite of racism either. Hired just because you're not white? Not really a self-esteem boost.

Being inclusive is what Github should be doing to counter racism without the racist sexist bigoted attitude.

>Save the outrage for people who are actually discriminated against

How about white people at Github?

Is there any indication they're suffering actual discrimination? Pay gaps, harassment, disproportionately not-hired or fired?

Like all racism, how much you encounter it really depends on where you live.

A white person living in the Big Island of Hawaii.. almost daily.

Is it a problem for you? If so, and you didn't live there as a child, many people would just suggest that you move. Colonialism isn't history in Hawai'i.

It never really bothered me when I lived on O'ahu. I know the difference between "damn haoles" and "fuckin' haoles", and I know which one I am.

Unless Github's located in Hawaii, I'm not sure how that's relevant.

Github is predominantly white and located in SF. Are white employees there suffering significant "actual discrimination" as the post a couple levels up alleges?

No.

Yes, my sense of entitlement is being challenged.

So, whites cannot be discriminated against?

Sure, whites have messed up. Still do. But does that mean they can't be discriminated against?

Basically that's the new school of thought. Look at the Wikipedia page on Racism, for instance.

It's a tactic that's been around for a long time. Redefine words. Then pretend everyone's using your new, made-up definitions, and claim you've won the argument.

Maybe I'm just starting to notice it, but the level of doublespeak is really astounding these days.

I don't think it's necessarily doublespeak, it's that people actually use the terms differently.

Racism for example means BOTH the individual belief in superiority/inferiority of a particular race AND the societal/systematic belief.

This is why there are debates about whether Racism still exists in America, or whether discrimination against White people is racist. It depends on the context.

I've never seen this. I've only seen people say "Racism is bias PLUS POWER. It's literally impossible to be racist as a Y because Xs have power." I've not seen people say "Yes of course we'd traditionally call Y a racist, but what I mean is that they aren't being institutionally racist."

No one's talking past anyone. It's obvious what's going on. They don't want to admit that non-Xs can be terribly racist. So they flip words around so they can, at worst, say "well they may have prejudice". They invent stuff like "reverse racism".

And in fact, that's what Github's code of conduct enshrines.

It's intellectually dishonest.

Really have to disagree. "No one is talking past anyone" means you're not actually interested in having a conversation about this. Intellectual dishonesty is believing you have THE TRUE MEANING of the word. You really don't.

Every white person should try living on the Big Island of Hawaii.

It is the only place I have lived where, as a white person, you are discriminated against on a daily basis.

It really really sucks. It also opens your eyes to what it feels like to be on the receiving end of racism.