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Re:Google Also Has Been Ordered to Help Unlock Phones, Recor... by snowwrestler on Thursday March 31, 2016 @01:14AM (#11395137)
> The US prefers to discredit people in the media as "terrorists" (or "gang members", etc) while throwing an unwinnable pile of charges at them to force a confession (aka "plea bargain"). This have the de facto result of keeping someone either in jail for a while or spending 100% of their time and money on defense.

Can you share an example of this happening to someone who works at a technology device manufacturer? Someone who was in a position to be aware of an NSL that they could spill the beans on?

Re:Google Also Has Been Ordered to Help Unlock Phones, Recor... by rstephenson2 on Thursday March 31, 2016 @02:01AM (#11395281)
Not quite a device manufacturer, but a technology company: Qwest CEO Joseph Nacchio was convicted of insider trading after allegedly refusing to help the NSA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Nacchio

It may be a coincidence that he happened to both refuse to help the NSA as well as commit a crime, but "insider trading" as an officer of a company is pretty hazy, especially if you have the NSA informing you that they're going to tank your company's stock if you don't comply.

Re:Google Also Has Been Ordered to Help Unlock Phones, Recor... by snowwrestler on Thursday March 31, 2016 @01:38PM (#11398991)
Thanks, that's good one to think about. Not a "disappearance" per se, but maybe an example (at least an alleged example) of an indirect legal consequence for fighting the NSA.

> rstephenson2 11 hours ago | parent

Wait... Randall Stephenson, is that you?

http://www.att.com/gen/investor-relations?pid=7824

Re:Google Also Has Been Ordered to Help Unlock Phones, Recor... by pdkl95 on Thursday March 31, 2016 @02:01AM (#11395278)
> technology device manufacturer

That isn't the only industry that can be subject to a NSL. We are lucky to have any of the information at all; if you limit your search to very-specific categories, you risk finding areas that have less public data.

I would start here: https://www.aclu.org/cases/doe-v-holder

Re:Google Also Has Been Ordered to Help Unlock Phones, Recor... by magicalist on Thursday March 31, 2016 @02:34AM (#11395392)
> I would start here: https://www.aclu.org/cases/doe-v-holder

That case has nothing to do with discrediting someone as a terrorist or gang member, charging them with any crime, forcing a confession out of them, and really anything to do with criminal charges or jail time at all.