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Re:U.S. Drops California Case Against Apple After Accessing ... by eru on Wednesday March 30, 2016 @04:07AM (#11387666)
Oh, OK. I am arguing for Approval Voting because it's the simplest voting system up from FPTP, and easy to explain.

Borda Count really invites the gaming, though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borda_count#Potential_for_tact...

Re:U.S. Drops California Case Against Apple After Accessing ... by ClayShentrup on Wednesday March 30, 2016 @06:03PM (#11393391)
Borda is better than Plurality and IRV regardless of the amount of tactical voters.

http://ScoreVoting.net/BayRegsFig.html

Re:U.S. Drops California Case Against Apple After Accessing ... by eru on Wednesday March 30, 2016 @11:44PM (#11394843)
Interesting. I'd have to look at that simulation.

What about cloning candidates? The simulation only looks at strategic voting.

Re:U.S. Drops California Case Against Apple After Accessing ... by ClayShentrup on Thursday March 31, 2016 @10:34AM (#11397443)
The simulation uses random utility generators, which sometimes create situations where two candidates are highly similar and thus "partially" clones. The point is to model reality.

Compliance with "independence of clones" is in this property chart. http://scorevoting.net/CompChart.html

Re:U.S. Drops California Case Against Apple After Accessing ... by winstonewert on Wednesday March 30, 2016 @11:42AM (#11390097)
I get where you are coming from on Approval Voting. The simplicity of the system is very attractive.
Re:U.S. Drops California Case Against Apple After Accessing ... by eru on Wednesday March 30, 2016 @11:45PM (#11394846)
Other systems might be slightly better. But Approval Voting is dead simple to explain, and you don't even need new ballot papers compared to plurality.
Re:U.S. Drops California Case Against Apple After Accessing ... by ClayShentrup on Thursday March 31, 2016 @10:30AM (#11397405)
The only system that's generally better is Score Voting aka Range Voting. But you want to _avoid_ ranked voting methods.

http://ScoreVoting.net/NESD.html

Re:U.S. Drops California Case Against Apple After Accessing ... by winstonewert on Thursday March 31, 2016 @05:33PM (#11400716)
I don't think the argument presented there works.

Consider the example with A, B, and C at the end. It claims that approval voting would probably elect C, but why? If the voters apply perfect strategy, B supporters won't approve C, and B will win. The same is true of range voting, where B supporters will give C a rating of zero.

It does not seem escapable that a majority voter block can dictate their wishes on the whole population by exaggerating their stated preferences.

Re:U.S. Drops California Case Against Apple After Accessing ... by eru on Friday April 01, 2016 @10:02PM (#11409870)
As long as you need a majority, that's still very democratic? (If it was a plurality only, that would be harder.)
Re:U.S. Drops California Case Against Apple After Accessing ... by winstonewert on Friday April 01, 2016 @11:25PM (#11410074)
Yes, but the page in question is arguing that approval/rank voting is better because it doesn't always elect the majority's first choice.
Re:U.S. Drops California Case Against Apple After Accessing ... by eru on Thursday March 31, 2016 @02:48PM (#11399555)
I'm pretty convinced that for single winner elections approval voting is pretty great.

I haven't convinced myself when multiple people can get elected.