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Re:He Always Had a Dark Side by RyanZAG on Tuesday March 29, 2016 @11:26AM (#11382127)
> Lulu told me that when Le Roux was 15 or 16, in the late 1980s, the local police raided the family home and arrested Paul for selling pornography online.

This seems a bit odd to me, having lived in South Africa at that time. There's almost no way a guy at home would have had that kind of access in Apartheid South Africa to the internet back then. There was access, but it was through big companies or academia and on a very controlled level.

Here's a quick rundown of internet access in South Africa during that time period from Wikipedia. From experience, it is accurate.

> The first South African IP address was granted to Rhodes University in 1988.[1] On 12 November 1991, the first IP connection was made between Rhodes' computing centre and the home of Randy Bush in Portland, Oregon.[2] By November 1991, South African universities were connected through UNINET to the Internet. Commercial Internet access for businesses and private use began in June 1992[3] with the registration of the first .co.za subdomain.

You might bring up stuff like BBS, but that was not around in South Africa until after 1990 also. You could technically have imported hardware and connected to a BBS in USA, but the costs involved and control of the only Telecoms operator allowed in Apartheid South Africa (Telkom) would have been unaffordable. Especially for Krugersdorp. I doubt you'd get some kind of USA led local police raid for pornography in Apartheid South Africa either. The whole thing would need some serious evidence.

Re:He Always Had a Dark Side by casca on Tuesday March 29, 2016 @12:06PM (#11382470)
There was a small community in South Africa that used to connect to the Internet around that time by dialing into X.25-connected modems. These seemed to be owned by banks or insurance companies, and would allow break-outs to US modems that allowed local calling to ISPs. The information about the numbers and credentials were shared on local BBSs.

Source: was personally involved

Re:He Always Had a Dark Side by buserror on Tuesday March 29, 2016 @03:56PM (#11384383)
I agree. I used to do the same from France. Got me a a HELL of a lot of trouble in fact, as I've racked up a huge X25 bill with one company, and accidentally registered under my real name to a texan BBS that was later involved in the Hacker's Crackdown.

Also, on the note of 'porn online in the late 80's' is probably impossible, as there were no digital cameras, no scanners to speak of, and the only 'porn' you'd have found would have been rare, and very, very data intensive for the days. I know. :-)

And /most/ countries police forces had absolutely no clue whatsoever about 'online', 'computers', 'modems', 'internet' and 'keyboards'. I know the french didn't!

Those were the days, etc etc :-)

Re:He Always Had a Dark Side by toyg on Tuesday March 29, 2016 @04:46PM (#11384739)
He could have been selling actual magazines and tapes, rather than digital files. As I'm sure you remember, snail mail orders were part and parcel of the BBS world for all sorts of things.
Re:He Always Had a Dark Side by spullara on Tuesday March 29, 2016 @11:37AM (#11382231)
To run a BBS you need nothing more than a C64, a 300 bps modem and a phone line. Also, I'm not sure if you know anything about phone phreaking but in the 80s it was pretty much the preferred method of connecting to BBSs internationally.
Re:He Always Had a Dark Side by RyanZAG on Tuesday March 29, 2016 @11:45AM (#11382304)
Yes but from a teenager in Krugersdorp? And South Africa did not have such easy access to the international telephone market. The country was in the middle of economic sanctions at the time - international calls had to be placed through a switchboard with the government run telecom monopoly provider - Telkom. They also cost a literal arm and a leg for a couple minutes and were heavily monitored by the Apartheid regime. An actual police state.
Re:He Always Had a Dark Side by flyinghamster on Tuesday March 29, 2016 @12:31PM (#11382675)
There were FidoNet systems as early as 1988: http://www.textfiles.com/fidonet-on-the-internet/n1988/nodel...

Look for "Region,49" and you'll see a small number of them, but they were in Port Elizabeth, Cape Town, and Johannesburg.

Whether they could actually dial out to the rest of the world is open to question, but they would have needed to at least be accessible from the outside world for them to even be on FidoNet in the first place.

Re:He Always Had a Dark Side by anigbrowl on Tuesday March 29, 2016 @02:31PM (#11383712)
Wealthy kids have access to toys others don't I knew what a modem was and why I wanted one long before I actually got my hands on one, because I'd seen American teenagers using them in movies, eg War Games in 1983 (which I rewatched recently and was rather surprised to find it still holds up for what it is). Also, there may have been no need to call internationally. When I was into home and later business computers as a teen in the 1980s in Ireland (which was then as economically benighted as SA for quite different reasons) things like porn, bbs software, and lists of 'interesting' phone numbers were circulated on floppy disks; I ran a safe stash out of my school locker because the teachers thought I was too nerdy to be mixed up with the 'delinquent' kids. A single sided 5.25" floppy seemed like oodles of storage space back in those days XD

I don't find this claim so remarkable, though it's certainly possible that the details are fuzzily remembered nearly 30 years later.

Re:He Always Had a Dark Side by RoboErectus on Tuesday March 29, 2016 @11:55AM (#11382371)
As a teenager in the US, it was one of my main activities, so I can believe the age. I'm not sure about how it would go in SA.
Re:He Always Had a Dark Side by SideburnsOfDoom on Tuesday March 29, 2016 @12:07PM (#11382480)
> I'm not sure about how it would go in SA.

In Krugersdorp in the late 1980s? And the police were on the case - both in terms of being tech-savy enough, and not having more pressing concerns? (1)

Let's say that it's an extra-ordinary claim and we'd like a little more weight behind it.

1) http://www.saha.org.za/ecc25/ecc_under_a_state_of_emergency....

Re:He Always Had a Dark Side by toyg on Tuesday March 29, 2016 @04:50PM (#11384763)
The police likely intercepted material delivered via regular post, and worked their way up from there. No need to know how something was ordered, as long as selling it is illegal.
Re:He Always Had a Dark Side by waterlesscloud on Tuesday March 29, 2016 @11:58AM (#11382399)
Teenager in the US at the same time.

Yep, this is exactly what we did with our 8-bit machines and modems at the time.

We were global even then.

EDIT- LOL. I guess the HN downvoters have proof this isn't what we were doing back then???

Re:He Always Had a Dark Side by oldmanjay on Tuesday March 29, 2016 @12:58PM (#11382874)
I didn't vote, but my guess would be that this is a me-too comment, which the community discourages. If you wish to echo a parent comment, it's expected that you add a significant contribution.
Re:He Always Had a Dark Side by EdHominem on Tuesday March 29, 2016 @12:27PM (#11382639)
I'm not sure if there were additional barriers to blue-boxing out of SA, but I know people went through SA...

"In the Esquire article, Captain Crunch narrates excitedly to his interviewer Ron Rosenbaum the process by which he connected a single long-distance call via switching stations across Asia, Europe, South Africa, South America and the East coast until he reached a specific telephone in California."

Depends how much chance you have to lose yourself in an internal SA call to one or more SxS COs before the overseas hop, you could be pretty hard to catch. But, if there wasn't a lot of international traffic they could just snoop on the overseas hop and figure out who you were.

Re:He Always Had a Dark Side by richardw on Tuesday March 29, 2016 @02:41PM (#11383792)
First time I saw a modem in SA was on a farm in the (late) 80's in the Karoo. I was from Jhb. Krugersdorp doesn't look that insane to me! I used to get Amiga stuff from an acquaintance who ran a BBS around '90 and regularly connected overseas. He had some trickery he used to get around phone bills, police state or not.
Re:He Always Had a Dark Side by jessaustin on Tuesday March 29, 2016 @02:14PM (#11383562)
There probably weren't many such teenagers who did that. However, the likelihood that a particular such teenager did that, given that said teenager later wrote popular security software, seems pretty high.
Re:He Always Had a Dark Side by Spearchucker on Tuesday March 29, 2016 @08:22PM (#11386087)
I used to attend computer science classes in Vereeniging on Mondays after normal school. It was at another school, and I had to travel about 70km to get there. I did them from standard 8 to matric, 1986 to 1988, and in 1987 we dialled into something and connected to someone in New York, I think it was. I wasn't all that into it so probably missed a lot of the detail, but it was a big deal for the school. And clearly it was possible.
Re:He Always Had a Dark Side by rsync on Tuesday March 29, 2016 @03:43PM (#11384289)
"They also cost a literal arm and a leg for a couple minutes"

Really ? Honestly, that's even more interesting than the truecrypt/arms dealer story ...

Pictures ?

Re:He Always Had a Dark Side by alxndr on Wednesday March 30, 2016 @03:10AM (#11387473)
When they say "arms" dealer...
Re:He Always Had a Dark Side by alricb on Tuesday March 29, 2016 @11:32AM (#11382183)
"On-Line" might mean on a Bulletin Board System, some of which did do pornography.
Re:He Always Had a Dark Side by grandinj on Tuesday March 29, 2016 @03:18PM (#11384100)
It's more likely he was using the "internet" to sell VHS tapes. Most probably via the form of Internet known as Beltel (I worked on Beltel for a while) and that is quite plausible.
Re:He Always Had a Dark Side by mchaver on Tuesday March 29, 2016 @11:36AM (#11382221)
I also thought it was interesting to learn that South Africa did not introduce television until 1976 (assuming this article is correct).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_in_South_Africa

Re:He Always Had a Dark Side by kieranhunt on Tuesday March 29, 2016 @12:41PM (#11382746)
I can confirm. My gran still has (she's not using it) her original TV bought around the time. From the stories my parents tell the SABC (think BBC) initialy broadcast a test signal and the early adopters would crowd around their TVs just to watch that.
Re:He Always Had a Dark Side by JonoBB on Wednesday March 30, 2016 @10:39AM (#11389570)
I can confirm first hand - I was one of those watching that damn TV signal for hours :)
Re:He Always Had a Dark Side by xorcist on Tuesday March 29, 2016 @01:44PM (#11383291)
>> late 1980s [... ]arrested Paul for selling pornography online

> This seems a bit odd to me

Understatement of the week. As you say, it wouldn't have been on the Internet. I know nothing about the South African BBS scene of the time but it would have been very small. And selling pornography online? How would you even have gone about that? That would have been cash transactions down in the corner. For downloading porn at 1200 bits per second.

Re:He Always Had a Dark Side by zymhan on Tuesday March 29, 2016 @01:47PM (#11383324)
I didn't take that as actually transferring the porn online, but as using the BBS to facilitate sales of physical copies.
Re:He Always Had a Dark Side by nommm-nommm on Tuesday March 29, 2016 @06:42PM (#11385559)
Back in the day, before video streaming or video downloading I used to buy anime fansubs online. I sent in a check to someone and they mailed me VHS tapes.
Re:He Always Had a Dark Side by ilitirit on Tuesday March 29, 2016 @08:30PM (#11386117)
I'd have to agree. Most ZA BBSs only popped up after 1990.

http://bbs.hmvh.net/lists/the_list.htm

There were a few that were around during the late 80s, so it's plausible that there may have been BBS catering to porn. But to sell it via BBS during the late 80s? From Krugersdorp? No ways.

The people who were really in the know about stuff like this were guys like tKC from The Phrozen Crew, and in his own words, he only started catching onto BBS in 1991.

http://defacto2.net/wayback/the-life-and-legend-of-tkc-2000-...

Phrozen Crew were a very well-known cracking group during the 90s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_warez_groups#Phrozen_C...

Re:He Always Had a Dark Side by casca on Tuesday March 29, 2016 @09:01PM (#11386246)
I question the accuracy of the BBS list. There are some on there that are dated 1992 that I'm quite sure I was connecting to at 300 baud earlier than the dates given.
Re:He Always Had a Dark Side by hendry on Wednesday March 30, 2016 @10:52PM (#11394675)
> Telecoms operator allowed in Apartheid South Africa (Telkom) would have been unaffordable.

Bluebeep dude! Where were you? https://twitter.com/kaihendry/status/714901743830700032

Re:He Always Had a Dark Side by estefan on Tuesday March 29, 2016 @12:18PM (#11382568)
Any story featuring a character called "Randy Bush" should be taken with a pinch of salt...
Re:He Always Had a Dark Side by camperman on Tuesday March 29, 2016 @08:37PM (#11386143)
Randy Bush is an awesome man who was key to getting South Africa connected to the Internet.
Re:He Always Had a Dark Side by jlgaddis on Tuesday March 29, 2016 @02:02PM (#11383452)
Why's that? Do you know who this particular Randy Bush is and his history with regard to the Internet?
Re:He Always Had a Dark Side by acqq on Tuesday March 29, 2016 @02:49PM (#11383860)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K8_jgiNqUc&t=1m25s

"PILATE: What's so... funny about 'Biggus Dickus'?

CENTURION: Well, it's a joke name, sir.

PILATE: I have a vewy gweat fwiend in Wome called..."

(And he really did have this friend! Heh. Comedy, one way or another)