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Re:Boom (YC W16) – Supersonic Passenger Airplanes by jessaustin on Monday March 21, 2016 @01:23PM (#11329823)
I wonder if the "no booms over land" rule will always remain in force. When I was a child, the planes from Whiteman AFB broke that rule quite often. It was interesting to hear the boom over the phone when speaking with a school friend who lived say eight miles away, and then immediately hear the whole house shaking when the plane got to my end of the circuit. It would have been annoying at night, I suppose, but during the day it was not a hardship. These military planes made no particular effort to climb to high altitude before breaking the barrier, either. While the area I'm talking about is rural, it's much more heavily populated than are e.g. the Great Plains.

So, I think that high-altitude sparse-population daytime routes could be developed that would admit supersonic flight over much of North America.

Re:Boom (YC W16) – Supersonic Passenger Airplanes by jandrese on Monday March 21, 2016 @04:15PM (#11331509)
The no commercial sonic booms legislation might go away if it were an American company asking for it. I have no doubt that the Concorde being foreign owned helped speed that legislation through Congress.

Of course being a little no-name company won't help matters much here, but I expect that actual production of this would involve a partnership (or probably buyout) with one of the big name companies that have a lot of congressmen on their payroll.

There has also been a lot of research into minimizing Sonic Booms since the 70s. Military jets typically don't care, but passenger jets could definitely benefit.

Re:Boom (YC W16) – Supersonic Passenger Airplanes by pjscott on Tuesday March 22, 2016 @12:34AM (#11334441)
If they can get supersonic passenger planes flying over the ocean again, they won't be an obscure company anymore.
Re:Boom (YC W16) – Supersonic Passenger Airplanes by jsprogrammer on Monday March 21, 2016 @01:47PM (#11330037)
You may not have minded your entire house shaking, but most would probably quickly grow to resent such unnecessary disruption.

It's a good way to kick everyone in a large region out of their zone. If this was a constant occurrence, work may quickly cease, or become greatly diminished.

Re:Boom (YC W16) – Supersonic Passenger Airplanes by jessaustin on Monday March 21, 2016 @02:08PM (#11330257)
Sure, but these were 1980s-era fighter/trainer jets flying at probably 1000 ft., and it only shook the whole house when they flew pretty close. Other times one might only hear the boom when outside. I think a passenger craft of recent design of recent materials, flying at 40k ft. could do much better, even before routing to avoid populated areas. I don't think anyone, even those who live on ranches in the Dakotas, really has a right not to hear a noise during the daytime.
Re:Boom (YC W16) – Supersonic Passenger Airplanes by ant6n on Monday March 21, 2016 @02:59PM (#11330783)
I don't think people have the right to pollute noise everywhere.

And I do wish humans where mindful about the noise pollution the dump where 'nobody lives'. The noise emitted by shipping vessels is having a harming effect on sea life.

Re:Boom (YC W16) – Supersonic Passenger Airplanes by BinaryIdiot on Monday March 21, 2016 @02:24PM (#11330429)
I could have sworn the Concorde was still glass-breaking loud at 40,000. Reardless, NASA is working on getting rid of the sonic boom http://www.sciencealert.com/nasa-is-building-a-jet-that-brea...
Re:Boom (YC W16) – Supersonic Passenger Airplanes by david-given on Monday March 21, 2016 @03:16PM (#11330950)
I used to live under the Concorde flight path near Heathrow. Twice a day there'd be this crackling rumble and all the windows would shake; and this was flying subsonic.

Concorde was really, really loud --- a lot of that was due to being a really old plane with old engines (aircraft have gotten way quieter since the 1970s), but even back then it was considered loud:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3581192.stm

It was exempt from the usual noise regulations and on takeoff it'd set of car alarms in the airport carparks.

I still miss it, despite the noise. I'd hear the noise and look up, and there'd be this beautiful delta-wing shape slipping through the clouds...

Re:Boom (YC W16) – Supersonic Passenger Airplanes by jandrese on Monday March 21, 2016 @04:17PM (#11331533)
It's really hard to quiet down Turbojets. Turbofans are much easier, but they don't work well at supersonic speeds.
Re:Boom (YC W16) – Supersonic Passenger Airplanes by aidenn0 on Monday March 21, 2016 @04:13PM (#11331491)
I lived under the Concorde flight path near Dulles. I couldn't hear it, but we'd go out side to watch it fly over every now and then.
Re:Boom (YC W16) – Supersonic Passenger Airplanes by david-given on Monday March 21, 2016 @05:33PM (#11332295)
Modern aircraft are so dull! Efficient, safe, cheap, reliable even, relatively comfortable, but so boring. Even the A380 is a boring, and that's an office block with wings. How can something so incredible be so deadly dull?

...yeah, yeah, I know, being dull is an accomplishment in itself, and the duller aircraft are the better they are, and the one thing that every passenger pilot in the world wants is a thoroughly uninteresting flight. But, dammit, they're still so dull.

I miss Concorde.

Re:Boom (YC W16) – Supersonic Passenger Airplanes by jacquesm on Monday March 21, 2016 @08:04PM (#11333335)
A380 passes overhead here every day on final, it is uncanny how it just seems to hang there on account of it being so large that relative to its speed it takes a while to move it's own length. Sure it's still going quite fast but it doesn't seem that it does and this sets of some 'it's going to fall' alarm at the back of my mind. Weirdest feeling.
Re:Boom (YC W16) – Supersonic Passenger Airplanes by jessaustin on Monday March 21, 2016 @02:39PM (#11330588)
Maybe? I don't think the Concorde ever flew over the Ozarks, or indeed any location in which I found myself while they were still flying.

Boom's Kenrick Waithe worked on that same project when he was at Gulfstream and when he was at NASA.

Re:Boom (YC W16) – Supersonic Passenger Airplanes by sjm-lbm on Monday March 21, 2016 @02:35PM (#11330548)
At least one real-world test was conducted about how people acclimate to sonic booms[1] with an eye towards seeing how people would take SST airliners. It didn't go very well. In general, it seems that enough people do think it a hardship to kick up a fuss that will keep SSTs from being a reality over the US for awhile.

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_sonic_boom_tests

Re:Boom (YC W16) – Supersonic Passenger Airplanes by jessaustin on Monday March 21, 2016 @03:00PM (#11330788)
You're right, it has been awhile since the mid-60s. If we were talking about flying F-104s and B-58s, that would be very relevant information. As I understand it, Boom are developing a new aircraft. They're probably aware of that test and indeed lots of other information about supersonic flight.

This whole "engineering vs physics" question reminds me of the misunderstandings people have of modern radio technology. Yes, in the 1920s they had to divide the spectrum into exclusive-use bands so that any particular use could transmit and receive clearly, but that was a limitation of engineering, not of physics. In the 2010s that is not a limitation we face, in general. Likewise, I expect that with modern materials and engineering software, progress can be made on the sonic boom issue.

Re:Boom (YC W16) – Supersonic Passenger Airplanes by sjm-lbm on Monday March 21, 2016 @03:37PM (#11331167)
I do generally agree with you, but I'm not really talking about engineering or physics, I'm talking about social acceptance.

If - via engineering, physics, magic or whatever - sonic booms can be minimized to the point of being indistinguishable from general background noise (or even only as intrusive as current subsonic airliners), I could be convinced that an SST project has a bright future. Until then, I don't think that they will - your first post mentioned that "the whole house shaking" didn't really seem to be hardship when it happened during the day; I'm merely commenting that there are some studies that indicate society as a whole isn't so accepting.

Re:Boom (YC W16) – Supersonic Passenger Airplanes by TheOtherHobbes on Tuesday March 22, 2016 @10:15AM (#11336728)
I used to live near an army training area. There were regular artillery exercises, and the bigger shells would literally shake the walls of the house. The smaller shells just made things fall off shelves.

I think any design that literally goes "boom" over land, even a little, isn't going to work. It's too much of an open legal target.

The design really does need to be damn near silent, or at least closer to a mild and unobjectionable "whomp", to have any hope of commercial success.

Re:Boom (YC W16) – Supersonic Passenger Airplanes by esaym on Monday March 21, 2016 @02:57PM (#11330767)
I think I've only heard one in my life. It was on surfside beach TX where I lived at the time. I was on a dock and heard a really low thunder sound. I can't say that it was "loud" like it would hurt your ears, but it really rattled everything around me (including my insides). And with that the neighbor's dogs came running over to me with their tails between their legs, and off in the distance I could here a jet really cuttin' through some wind.
Re:Boom (YC W16) – Supersonic Passenger Airplanes by neurotech1 on Monday March 21, 2016 @04:55PM (#11331944)
I've known test pilots who have flown supersonic routes over continental USA at high altitude and had zero complaints. The boom intensity depends on weather conditions. Other times they did get complaints because the boom sounded like gunshots and got reported to the police.

Cruising above 60000 ft the boom from a larger aircraft might be noticed but not be objectionably loud.