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Re:Re: Obama on Fetishizing Our Phones by eigenvector on Sunday March 13, 2016 @07:24PM (#11279930)
> So if your argument is strong encryption, no matter what, and we can and should, in fact, create black boxes, then that I think does not strike the kind of balance that we have lived with for 200, 300 years.

Mr. Obama, you are the one who upset the balance with secret, dragnet surveillance of nearly all communications. That's not the bargain the public has had with law enforcement for the last 300 years. Widespread, end-to-end encryption is simply the natural reaction to the arms race you started. We would have never come to this point if the government had kept surveillance within court-supervised bounds.

Re:Re: Obama on Fetishizing Our Phones by studentrob on Sunday March 13, 2016 @08:38PM (#11280219)
> dragnet surveillance of nearly all communications. That's not the bargain the public has had with law enforcement

I'm not sure this is the argument to make to Obama and the DOJ. They are already framing this as a privacy issue

The factors they understand are the public safety and economic impacts. Let us speak to those points and allow privacy to be a secondary concern. Obama himself told President Xi last year that the exact same policies would dramatically hurt Xi's economy [1]

[1] http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-obama-china-idUSKBN0LY...

Re:Re: Obama on Fetishizing Our Phones by over on Sunday March 13, 2016 @07:26PM (#11279946)
That's a really good point, it's like provoking someone until they scream at you and then accusing them of being unreasonable.
Re:Re: Obama on Fetishizing Our Phones by ossreality on Sunday March 13, 2016 @07:39PM (#11279997)
... the programs that all started long before he was in office?

He's at fault for keeping them in place, but that's about it.

Re:Re: Obama on Fetishizing Our Phones by eigenvector on Sunday March 13, 2016 @07:45PM (#11280019)
Obama has been President for 7 years, during which time he has consistently supported and expanded the programs started during the Bush presidency. In my view this makes him as culpable as anyone for the position that we are at today. George Bush may have started these programs but he isn't the one launching attacks on the tech industry today.

See: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/01/power-wars-how-ob...