Re:Apple gets smacked by $450M e-book price-fixing fine
by Caprinicus on Monday March 07, 2016 @03:31PM
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If you have a higher than market price, then other players can come in and disrupt your monopoly. If you are selling stuff at a loss to drive other players out of the market, then it is impossible for a new player to get off the ground. The definition has more to do with what is in the long term detrimental to the market's diversity.
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Re:Apple gets smacked by $450M e-book price-fixing fine
by WalterBright on Monday March 07, 2016 @03:56PM
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What price to charge?
1. higher - gouging, profiteering, monopolistic rents
2. same - collusion, price fixing
3. lower - unfair competition, predatory pricing
All are illegal!
Re:Apple gets smacked by $450M e-book price-fixing fine
by arjie on Monday March 07, 2016 @09:19PM
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I'm fairly certain none of those things are illegal. You've just incompletely specified the problem and are consequently reaching the wrong conclusion. It's true that all of those things _can_ be illegal, just like moving your hand or your foot can be illegal if you do so with sufficient force against a person, and not moving your hand or foot can be illegal if you, say, are stopping police from enforcing the law. But that doesn't mean "moving my hands" and "not moving my hands" are crimes.
Charging higher prices as a monopoly is not in itself illegal. Other conditions have to be true.
Collusion and price fixing require you to conspire.
Charging lower than someone else while being a monopoly is not illegal either. The FTC has a little page for this: https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/competition-guidance/guide-a...
Re:Apple gets smacked by $450M e-book price-fixing fine
by dhimes on Monday March 07, 2016 @05:13PM
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None is illegal if you don't have a monopoly.
Re:Apple gets smacked by $450M e-book price-fixing fine
by WalterBright on Monday March 07, 2016 @05:31PM
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So if you do have a monopoly, what is the legal price to charge?
Re:Apple gets smacked by $450M e-book price-fixing fine
by dhimes on Monday March 07, 2016 @05:36PM
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The monopoly is what is illegal, not the price you charge.
Re:Apple gets smacked by $450M e-book price-fixing fine
by robotresearcher on Monday March 07, 2016 @05:52PM
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It's not illegal to have a monopoly. It's illegal to exploit it in certain ways.
Re:Apple gets smacked by $450M e-book price-fixing fine
by dhimes on Monday March 07, 2016 @09:16PM
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This is mostly a distinction without a difference in practice. Exploit it in certain ways and your monopoly gets broken apart- thus illegal. See ATT/ Ma Bell
Re:Apple gets smacked by $450M e-book price-fixing fine
by robotresearcher on Tuesday March 08, 2016 @07:41PM
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It's a very practical distinction since you can avoid exploiting it in certain ways and thus not get into any trouble at all. Violator monopolies do not exert predatory pricing, etc, by accident.