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Re:Europe’s new cold war turns digital as Vladimir Putin exp... by dijit on Sunday March 06, 2016 @12:03PM (#11234471)
The whole tone of this article tries to pin Russia in a bad light. (especially the opening).. As much as many people may disagree- what if /this/ is the propoganda?

it's very easy to say "Don't trust him, he's a liar"- but if the two that are saying not to trust each other are historically feuding, then perhaps you should believe neither and check facts while attempting to avoid biased sources.

Re:Europe’s new cold war turns digital as Vladimir Putin exp... by digi_owl on Sunday March 06, 2016 @12:34PM (#11234590)
It is interesting to watch the tone regarding Russia change as the leadership changes.

After the dismantling of the Soviet Union, Russia under Yeltsin was a friend. At the same time the nation's economy was carved up between local oligarchs and foreign multinationals.

Then the change to Putin, that goes after said oligarchs to wrest back control. Now all of a sudden Russia is the big scary bear to the east.

I don't see a big scary aggressor. I am looking at a nation and leader that wants some degree of self-determination, and is being vilified and boxed in as a response.

Re:Europe’s new cold war turns digital as Vladimir Putin exp... by pjc50 on Sunday March 06, 2016 @01:47PM (#11234910)
I don't see a big scary aggressor

You missed the shooting down of the civilian airliner and the destabilisation of Ukraine.

But of course you could apply tu quoque here as well. The entire area from Vilnius to Islamabad has both US and Russian proxy forces, influence-purchasers, spies and propagandists active in it. That's where the carve-up is going on.

Re:Europe’s new cold war turns digital as Vladimir Putin exp... by lbn on Sunday March 06, 2016 @02:22PM (#11235096)
Do people actually believe that Putin personally ordered to shoot down that plane? What incentive did he have to do something that would obviously turn the whole world against him and lead to many sanctions?

Do you think him doing something obviously stupid like this is more likely than just supplying serious weapons to incompetent "soldiers"?

Re:Europe’s new cold war turns digital as Vladimir Putin exp... by pjc50 on Sunday March 06, 2016 @03:06PM (#11235315)
Not directly, obviously, any more than Reagan ordered the shootdown of Iran Air Flight 655. But in both cases the underlying wrong was escalating a conflict, putting the weapons in the area and setting rules of engagement that allowed the launching of missiles when the country was not officially at war.

The incursion into Ukraine was presumably supposed to be deniable, unlike the Iraqui invasion of Kuwait.

Re:Europe’s new cold war turns digital as Vladimir Putin exp... by supergirl on Sunday March 06, 2016 @12:29PM (#11234571)
it's pretty obvious propaganda