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Re:China Tries Its Hand at Pre-Crime by gnaritas on Friday March 04, 2016 @10:38PM (#11228311)
> but there is nothing wrong with the principle of detaining people pending trial.

There isn't if and only if we deliver on the promise of a speedy trial, which we don't.

Re:China Tries Its Hand at Pre-Crime by argonaut on Saturday March 05, 2016 @08:30PM (#11232046)
No. Even if there were no promise of a speedy trial, this principle stands.
Re:China Tries Its Hand at Pre-Crime by gnaritas on Tuesday March 08, 2016 @12:53AM (#11243758)
Obviously it doesn't because it means allowing the innocent to be jailed without trial, not OK.
Re:China Tries Its Hand at Pre-Crime by argonaut on Friday March 11, 2016 @07:59AM (#11266323)
It is not obvious. The government has an interest in being able to detain serial killers pending trial.
Re:China Tries Its Hand at Pre-Crime by gnaritas on Friday March 11, 2016 @04:52PM (#11269808)
Yes, it is obvious that allowing the government to jail people an undetermined amount of time before a trial is defacto punishing without trial and unethical. Even "alleged" serial killers deserve a speedy trial because they aren't guilty until proven so. Rights aren't about the governments interest, they're about ours, and allowing detention without trial for years at a time is wrong under all scenarios.

I already agreed that detention pre-trial is OK if and only if there is a speedy trial.

Re:China Tries Its Hand at Pre-Crime by hnbroseph on Monday March 07, 2016 @12:09PM (#11239970)
and the principle means effective imprisonment doesn't require a trial.